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There Will Be No Civil Liberties If We Lose This War
The New Media Journal.us ^ | December 30, 2005 | Frank Salvato

Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam

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To: SunSetSam

This is a winner.


81 posted on 01/01/2006 6:43:34 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP dear Texas Cowboy, you will be missed.)
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To: conservativehoney

You posted right and you posted good.

Welcome to Free Republic.

If you ever get set upon by some of the appeasers here, please don't hestitate to call on me or the others here who are agreeing with you.

We can not live in fear or be governed by the fears of others.


82 posted on 01/01/2006 6:46:14 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I had a long drawn out response to your question and deleted it. I will say simply...no to your question and add only what Bush has said, 'if terrorist outside this country are calling someone in this country, I want to know why'.

Why do you have a problem with that? Do you support McPains bill of rights for terrorist?

83 posted on 01/01/2006 6:47:53 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"And who decided who is a terrorist?"

Somebody has to make the decision Champ, we're at war. I'm eternally thankful the decision maker in this case is not some anti-American, brain dead arsehole like yourself and your idol, John F'ing Kerry.

84 posted on 01/01/2006 6:49:39 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: mosquewatch.com

In Israel they search you car before it can be parked in a garage.

You have to open your brief case when even asked.

You visit certain locations and the IDF is on the adjoining roofs aiming down.

Frankly monitoring calls from known terrorists to people inside the US is just plain common sense.


85 posted on 01/01/2006 6:50:33 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: JTN

Thanks. I'll go there next.


86 posted on 01/01/2006 6:51:48 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: JTN

3000 deaths didn't satisfy you.

What does it take 300,000. Can we try to intercept them before they act then or do we still have to be reactive instead of proactive.


87 posted on 01/01/2006 6:52:25 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: JTN

You are plenty welcome to make that choice for yourself but I would like to say one word:

Beslan


88 posted on 01/01/2006 6:54:13 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Constitution never contained anything about a right to privacy.

It is a found right.


89 posted on 01/01/2006 6:55:56 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Badray

Still got them back though.

You said once lost never regained.


90 posted on 01/01/2006 6:58:17 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Democrats value the privacy of terrorists higher than the lives of Americans.)
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To: Badray
Nowadays, more people seem to care about safety, not liberty.

How much liberty will you have should the islamofacist win in the US? What rights will they guarantee you? Will you be able to worship God or only allah? Will you be able to speak out against the injustices that islam brings, or will they simply cut your head off?

It's a paradox, the question of liberty vs safety.

91 posted on 01/01/2006 7:04:22 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Is a terrorist just the ones who blow up buildings or does that include those that aid them? And if so how do you define aid? Is aid limited to materially assisting them or does it include moral support? And if it includes moral support then does that support include anyone who opposes the U.S. actions in Iraq? See?"

See what? You have made no point beyond expressing your feelings of paranoia that the President of the United States can't be trusted with defining who our war-time enemies are. Your assinine post clearly reveals you as a paranoid leftist whose wobbly little mind is easily manipulated by allegations from the New York Times, that liberal bastion of overt political bias.

92 posted on 01/01/2006 7:05:49 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: conservativehoney
I don't believe that we have to give up our freedom in order to be more safe.

As a libertarian, I am very sensitive to loss of freedom. But I'm not sure how NSA phone taps denies people freedom. If I learned that someone was listening in on phone calls of mine, I'd consider it rude, but their listening doesn't prevent me from living my own life.

Our president says that they hate us for our freedom, well why give them what they want, and make ourselves less free?

In 1998, Osama bin Laden issued a declaration of war against all Americans everywhere and called on all Muslims to kill as many of us as possible.

It isn't just our freedom he despises. He called for us to be dead, and anything short of that is not giving him what he wants.

93 posted on 01/01/2006 7:07:46 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: JTN

I say a praywr daily.

We love our Vets!

JLO


94 posted on 01/01/2006 7:25:02 PM PST by JLO (www.operationminnesotanice.com)
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To: JTN
Do you honestly believe that the Islamo-fascists are capable of conquering the U.S.?

If you will accept that destroying is the same, or as bad as, conquering, yes. They are just part of a larger effort. They can certainly do their part to accomplish the goal. They can do more damage and do it quicker than their fellow travelers since they are not even partially constrained by morals, values, or law.

96 posted on 01/01/2006 7:38:04 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Constitution never contained anything about a right to privacy.

It is a found right.

Sheesh. All rights are inherent in the people. They do exist even without being enumerated in the BoR. The right is so anxious to over ride Roe v Wade that they will destroy our liberty. We have a right to privacy else we wouldn't have the 4th Amendment. What we don't have is the right to harm another (rape, rob, murder, or abort) in private.

97 posted on 01/01/2006 8:45:15 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

D'uh.

We got them back 60 and 150 years ago. Have you noticed that government has expanded since then and that liberty and the public's understanding of liberty has receded?

Now that we are always at war and against a real but hard to pin down and identify enemy, the government will not be as willing to relinquish any power ceded to them.

The government's security measures are aimed at protecting the government, not us, or haven't you noticed that either?


98 posted on 01/01/2006 8:48:37 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: conservativehoney

"I don't ask for handouts, so why should I handout to others??"

- Proverbs 19:17, if you can receive it.


99 posted on 01/01/2006 8:55:22 PM PST by Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe (14, 15, 16...whatever!)
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To: pbrown

Do you really believe that they can defeat us?

Oh ye of little faith.

The Japanese didn't invade us because they knew that they American public would be as formidable a foe as the American military. We are an armed populace. Do you think that we'd just sit by and let them -- or any invader -- just roll over us?

Do you realize that the only proven (publically known) attack against us that was thwarted was thwarted by civilians? I know that there there are reports of 'this plan' or 'that plan' was disrupted and they might even have existed. It's to the enemy's advantage to cause fear. It's to our protective force's advantage to claim that those threats are real.

Cynical? You bet I am. Do you remember the ATF's need to be relevent about ten years ago? Do you remember Waco and Ruby Ridge? Yes. I am cynical. I do not trust my government as you do. They will protect themselves at any and all cost -- to the taxpayer.


100 posted on 01/01/2006 8:57:05 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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