[Badray]

D'uh.

We got them back 60 and 150 years ago. Have you noticed that government has expanded since then and that liberty and the public's understanding of liberty has receded?

Now that we are always at war and against a real but hard to pin down and identify enemy, the government will not be as willing to relinquish any power ceded to them.

The government's security measures are aimed at protecting the government, not us, or haven't you noticed that either?

[TASMANIANRED]

Have it your own way.

I have friends in Israel that have lost family members to terrorism.

They are relentless, bloodthirsty, and insane.

They will not stop until after the earth is awash with human blood. They will not cease until every one other than a Wahabist Muslim is dead.

Fear your own government if you like, as for me I'd rather rear a real enemy rather than an imagined one.