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India builds a 2,500-mile barrier to rival the Great Wall of China
.timesonline.co.uk ^ | December 28, 2005 | Raekha Prasad

Posted on 12/31/2005 10:25:14 PM PST by njpa

Villagers on the Bangladesh border say the fence will cut them from their homeland

TO REACH the baked earth of his mustard field each day, Mohammed Safiqual Biswas must pass coils of barbed wire and armed guards and show his identity card at a security check. The problem is not where Mr Biswas has come from, but where he is going to. His fields lie 60 miles east of Calcutta, right in the no man’s land between India and Bangladesh.

Next month India plans to fence off this area of West Bengal as part of a little-known £600 million project to erect a steel barrier right along its 2,500-mile border with its much smaller Muslim neighbour. As a result Mr Biswas and his village of 2,000 people will be sealed off from their own country.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bangladesh; border; goodfence; india; israel; moat; wall
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1 posted on 12/31/2005 10:25:15 PM PST by njpa
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To: njpa
Any nation that will not defend its sovereignty doesn't deserve it.
2 posted on 12/31/2005 10:43:06 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Free the H1Bs)
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To: njpa

OMG, don't let V Fox hear about this, he'll just sh*t hi pants...


3 posted on 12/31/2005 10:53:24 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Never Never Never Give Up!!!)
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To: njpa; Clemenza; rmlew; Do not dub me shapka broham
I would do the Indians one better and build a canal along the US mexican border.



4 posted on 12/31/2005 11:12:14 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: njpa

India and Israel are firm allies. Hope the Indians consulted the experts.


5 posted on 12/31/2005 11:19:07 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (The Israelis slaughtered every man, woman and child in Gaza! (Well, some of us got better...))
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To: njpa

But they are too expensive and don't work...NOT.


7 posted on 12/31/2005 11:58:08 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Cacique

....and fill it with toxic waste.


8 posted on 01/01/2006 12:03:49 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Americe_Love_it_Or_Leave_it
This is something we need on our southern boarders. Across the whole boarder north and south.

Agreed, but it's "borders." The "boarders" are the uninvited guests we're trying to keep on the other side of the border. :-)

9 posted on 01/01/2006 12:07:52 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Slings and Arrows
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_08/b3871062.htm

Building Fences -- And Growing Closer
From security to information technology, business ties between India and Israel are proliferating

The disputed state of Kashmir couldn't look less like the narrow strip of desert that forms most of Israel. Peaks in the territory rise to more than 8,500 meters, and the area is known for its lush valleys and remote Himalayan beauty. Israel's Magal Security Systems Ltd., though, feels right at home in the thin mountain air.

The company, best known for its role in building a security fence dividing Israel from the West Bank, is providing technology such as cameras and motion detectors for a similar barrier in Kashmir. The 150-kilometer fence is aimed at keeping terrorists from crossing the Line of Control, the de facto border between the Indian- and Pakistani-administered portions of Kashmir. So far, Magal's technology has been deployed on just 5.5 km of the project, but the company is aiming to get a much bigger share of the barrier being built along the 740-km border. "India is a great market for Israeli companies," says Magal's president, Izhar Dekel.

AIRCRAFT AND ASSAULT RIFLES. Plenty of Israeli companies apparently agree. Bilateral trade between India and Israel has soared from $140 million in 1990 to $1.6 billion in 2003 -- and that doesn't include arms deals, which Israel doesn't report. Business is so brisk that during a recent three-day visit to India, Israel's Foreign Minister, Silvan Shalom, announced his country would reopen its consulate in Bombay and met with his Indian counterpart, Yashwant Sinha.

Officially, India was Israel's eighth-largest export market last year. But when you add in an estimated $4 billion in Phalcon aircraft, Tavor assault rifles, and other hardware that India has contracted to buy, the country in coming years will likely be among the top four markets for Israeli goods, defense officials say.

India and Israel have long had cordial relations. But both sides kept quiet about it, worried about alienating India's 160 million Muslim citizens and damaging India's strong ties with the Arab world. Now the friendship is finally coming out of the shadows. In the wake of a series of assaults on India attributed to Pakistani-backed militants, the latest intifada in the Middle East, and September 11, the two countries perceive that they have a common enemy: Islamic terrorism. "India and Israel are natural allies," says New Delhi defense analyst Maroof Raza.

So it's no surprise that the relationship emphasizes security. Last year, India, the U.S., and Israel held a trilateral security conference where intelligence and military brass discussed common threats. A second such meeting is scheduled for Feb. 15 in Israel. In fact, Washington may be encouraging stronger ties between its two allies so it can nurture its fragile relationship with Pakistan. Buying arms from Israel "gives the Indians access to the most sophisticated Western military technology," says Gerald M. Steinberg, a political scientist at Israel's Bar-Ilan University, while letting the U.S. avoid the appearance of arming Pakistan's rival.

That's leading to a booming arms trade. After peaking in 2002, Israel's defense exports declined by 37% last year, but in 2004 they're expected to grow again, largely because of sales to India. This year, India has earmarked an extra $5.5 billion to buy new materiel from abroad, making it one of the world's largest arms buyers. Israel is India's second-largest weapons supplier, after Russia. At the Defexpo India arms fair in New Delhi in early February, Israel had the second-largest delegation after Great Britain, with companies such as Israel Aircraft Industries and Elbit Systems pitching everything from radar to pilotless aircraft.

So far, the growing ties haven't jeopardized India's relations with the Arab world. Last summer, Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee visited Iran, Syria, and Libya to reaffirm old friendships, and was warmly welcomed. Nor has the Kashmir fence endangered the tentative peace process between India and Pakistan that was set in motion in January.

Meanwhile, commerce in nonmilitary sectors is expanding. The number of Israeli companies with offices in India has doubled since 1998, as they seek both to sell their goods and to use India as a production base. Shipper Zim Israel Navigation Co. in February added a third weekly run to its Western Europe-India cargo route. Last year, Israel's Teva Pharmaceuticals Ltd. spent $8.7 million to buy J.K. Drugs & Pharmaceuticals, an Indian maker of bulk formulas. Looking to benefit from India's skilled programmers, Tel Aviv-based Ness Technologies, Israel's largest IT services outfit, in July acquired Indian software developer Apar Infotech for $78 million. Apar's 1,000 engineers and programmers in Bangalore and Bombay now provide research and development for Ness. "Our Indian experience has worked out far beyond our wildest dreams," says Ness chief executive Raviv Zoller. Tel Aviv's Magic Software, which has been in India since 1997, is planning to add another 25 engineers to its 100-person development center in Pune this year. And Israeli flag carrier El Al Airlines has seen cargo traffic to India increase sixfold in the past three years. In November it added a third weekly passenger flight to the subcontinent, though it can still be tough to get a reservation. "I can't even get a business class seat to Bombay, and now have to go via Europe or Jordan," grumbles Anat Bernstein-Reich, a Tel Aviv consultant who advises companies on doing business in India.

SAVE WATER AND POWER. Israeli companies are also helping modernize India's archaic agricultural sector. Tel Aviv-based Netafim, the world's biggest drip irrigation company, in January signed a two-year, $20 million contract with the southern state of Andhra Pradesh to help improve crop yields while saving water and power. An earlier, smaller project was so successful that some farmers using the drip technology are growing pickling cucumbers for export. Israel Chemicals Ltd., meanwhile, supplied $80 million in potash and other fertilizers to India in 2003, up by 25% over the past two years.

Investment, though, remains mostly a one-way street. Other than about 30 Indian diamond merchants who main- tain offices in Tel Aviv, Indian investment in Israel is minimal, says Satish Mehta, India's commercial attaché in Israel. But, he says, India is doing what it can to boost the two-way flow of investment and expects it to grow as India continues to liberalize its economy. In May, the Indian embassy is sponsoring a biotechnology conference so that "Indian and Israeli companies can get together and explore business opportunities," says Mehta. Similar conferences in Tel Aviv last summer on telecommunications and agriculture both produced a flurry of deals.

Culturally, the two countries are coming closer together, too: The beaches of Goa are increasingly popular for young Israelis after they finish their three-year military service. And once-scarce Bollywood musicals are seen more often in Israeli cinemas these days. With help from fence-builders and other businesses, barriers between the two nations are falling fast.


By Manjeet Kripalani in Bombay and Neal Sandler in Jerusalem


10 posted on 01/01/2006 12:10:27 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Kashmir, Line of Control, India.

11 posted on 01/01/2006 12:17:22 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: njpa; aculeus; dighton; Lijahsbubbe; martin_fierro
India builds a 2,500-mile barrier to rival the Great Wall of China

An impenetrable line of call centers. Who would ever get through?

12 posted on 01/01/2006 12:19:32 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: ncountylee

Funny how India can afford a wall and we can't.

I don't see how we can not afford one.

I guess Bush is afraid of sparking an international incident when we catch a few platoons of Mexican Army about twenty miles inside our side of the border helping haul a load of cocaine.


13 posted on 01/01/2006 7:06:25 AM PST by 308MBR (Not only older, but bolder. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: Berosus; blam; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

This will come in handy -- the construction of the Good Literal Fence policy will be done by experienced, outsourced fence-builders from India...


14 posted on 01/01/2006 7:50:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: SunkenCiv
Why don't they extend the Himalayans?
15 posted on 01/01/2006 11:00:58 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Splitting Bangladesh from Pakistan (the geniuses drawing the new borders created a pre-WW-II-like condition by dividing it) is something (more like something else) that Pakistan used to blame on India. It's one of the real hell-holes on Earth, with a very large population, very few prospects (oooh, I know! tourism!), unless one counts a successful conclusion to a lawsuit against the industrialized world regarding smokestacks and tailpipes "causing global warming" and the flooding that has taken place every monsoon season since the monsoons began.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html

"Bangladesh came into existence in 1971 when Bengali East Pakistan seceded from its union with West Pakistan. About a third of this extremely poor country floods annually during the monsoon rainy season, hampering economic development... [population] 144,319,628 (July 2005 est.)"


16 posted on 01/02/2006 8:01:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge)
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To: SunkenCiv
144,319,628

That's a lot of people to ride out the monsoons on rafts....

17 posted on 01/02/2006 12:23:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: njpa

Maybe we can hire the Indians to build a fence around our country?


18 posted on 01/02/2006 1:02:27 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: njpa
India builds a 2,500-mile barrier to rival the Great Wall of China

The Hindi 2,500.

19 posted on 01/02/2006 1:04:43 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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