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Teacher defends "Santa" remarks (Full, unedited statement)
Lebanon Daily News ^ | 12/23/05 | Theresa R. Farrisi

Posted on 12/26/2005 8:11:14 AM PST by Conservatrix

To the Editor:

"Last week I substituted at a local elementary school in Lebanon County. The lesson plan required me to read the 1882 poem “The Night Before Christmas” by Clement Clarke Moore to two classes of students. While I can appreciate the poem for its literary value, the subject matter is offensive to me, and the reading of this poem to the children imposed values upon me which are against my deeply held religious beliefs. I could not in good conscience present the notion of Santa Claus as a truth to the children, and stated so.

No public school teacher should be required to teach a belief, or custom, or religion that he or she believes to be false, or be required to pass those purported falsehoods onto impressionable children, without the right to state a disclaimer. Furthermore, freedom of speech and religion, no matter how unpopular the speech or against cultural norms the religion, are protected rights under the Constitution of the United States. A secular public school should not be propagating any kind of religion. The belief in Santa Claus as a divine, magical, omniscient, powerful, giving, loving father-figure, to which children are taught to make supplications and requests, is a religion indeed-- a distorted substitute for the Judeo-Christian God; a false form of Christianity; a zealously-protected American idol.

In presenting the poem, I gave the children quick historical background about the Santa Claus myth-- its evolution from the historic Nickolaus, Bishop of Myrna in Asia Minor, who died in 343 A.D., to its amalgamation with ancient Western pagan traditions of German, Scandinavian and Dutch origins, to the current manifestation in the secular Christmas culture of today. (Dutch children, for example, would put their wooden shoes out at night for “Sante Klaus” to fill with candies.)

The current Santa Claus figure was popularized in the late 19th Century by artist Thomas Nast of Harper’s Weekly Magazine, who depicted “Saint Nick,” not as an elf, but a rotund, pipe-smoking man in a red and white suit. This is the deity to which countless public school children today are taught to make supplications, and about whom they sing their many songs at annual public school Christmas programs.

If people are upset about the revelation to children that Santa Claus is a myth-- which all children who are taught this lie find or figure out eventually-- perhaps it is because Santa is that zealously-guarded idol of their own modern religion. Therefore, as a religion, let Santa be kept out of the public school classroom (no more “Dear Santa” letters to line those school hallways)--or perhaps, in the interest of “diversity,” make his mythical, oversized personage share equal representation in literature, and song, and Christmas programs, with the other Person of the season: the Lord Jesus Christ, God made flesh, God with us."


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To: Diddle E. Squat
You seem to know an awful lot about this teacher. Do you also live in the south central PA region?

I'm willing to bet Conservatrix is the teacher. Interesting how, if true, she is not willing to "come out" and defend herself as the teacher of the unfortunate deed.

341 posted on 12/26/2005 11:04:18 AM PST by It's me
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To: mcg1969; Admin Moderator
Uh, dude, this forum is for adults.

Try to deal with the ignorant post of Santa and the reindeer getting shredded by the plane, dudess.

What is it with you, the 'Howlin Prorection Possy'? Let the woman defend her ill-advised Christmas post herself. OK?

A.D.............. I can see these folks getting stirred up. By my post, I just was trying to tell the original poster that her Christmas morning post of the reindeer getting shredded buy a plane was not such a good idea.

Danke.

342 posted on 12/26/2005 11:05:00 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: MineralMan
That's funny. Your kid knows. It's just playing along with you. Santa is fun. Even when you know he's a "pretend" character. I still sign Santa on some of the gifts I give my wife, and I promise that she knows where they really came from.

I still sign my kids presents Santa and they are grown. One kid commented Christmas eve, "since you don't have a chimney, does he come in the sliding doors?", a friend commented "he'd better not, your mom would blow him away with her .38 before he made it inside". He's just fun, let the kids have their fun.

343 posted on 12/26/2005 11:05:31 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: beyond the sea
Try to deal with the ignorant post of Santa and the reindeer getting shredded by the plane, dudess.

Yes, I saw it. I found it funny.

What is it with you, the 'Howlin Prorection Possy'?

I don't really care who Howlin is. You're obviously an uptight little cuss, though.

344 posted on 12/26/2005 11:07:34 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: Borges
Read further. The teacher in question is a Conservative Christian.

The teacher in question is a right-wing wacko who the Left will hold as a Typical Representative of Conservative Thinking.

Arrogant, self-important, intolerant, unyielding, sanctimonious -- and MEAN -- this person is everything that is bad about the extreme Right Wing.

345 posted on 12/26/2005 11:08:07 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Conservatrix

You're joking, right?


346 posted on 12/26/2005 11:08:40 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: bonfire
You let an 8 year old read Free Republic?????

LOL............ I thought it was safe ............ it was supposed to be an innocent thread on Santa's trip. But, the woman who has been here forever decided, in her divine wisdom, to insert her bizarre post on Christmas morning.

Pretty low, imo.

...........Happy New Year to you, bonfire.

Peace and friendship to you.

347 posted on 12/26/2005 11:08:43 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: MineralMan

You're missing the point. Kids will continue to tell other kids about Santa, and everyone acknowledges that. However, its an entirely different matter for an adult to butt their noses in where they don't belong to assume a role that isn't theirs to begin with.


348 posted on 12/26/2005 11:09:33 AM PST by demkicker
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To: beyond the sea

The kid will be fine, bts. I had to look really hard to see what you were upset about!

Have a good new year!


349 posted on 12/26/2005 11:10:08 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: freekitty
Fairy tales are not something you lump into reality (that magical wonderful adventure).

Somebody needed to tell that to Michael Jackson who thought he was a black Peter Pan with his Neverland Ranch...

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It is very sad that this woman did not allow children to have that magical wonderful adventure of Santa Claus.

I don't like phantasms pushed off onto my kids at school. I don't think Santa Claus is all that wonderful a thing for my children. I would rather they be taught the Ten Commandments and the Judaic roots of our culture in Mosaic Law.

Of course, I'm an atheist and don't believe in hobgoblins like elves, Santa, astrology or homosexual families...

350 posted on 12/26/2005 11:12:38 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: silverleaf

You know, I kind of agree with her...although I would not have made as big a deal of it. Why should this poem be read in a public school?


351 posted on 12/26/2005 11:13:47 AM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: silverleaf

You know, I kind of agree with her...although I would not have made as big a deal of it. Why should this poem be read in a public school?


352 posted on 12/26/2005 11:13:48 AM PST by Hildy (Keyboard warrior princess - typing away for truth, justice and the American way!)
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To: beyond the sea
You let an 8 year old read Free Republic?????

I hope you keep them away from pissant's threads. :)

353 posted on 12/26/2005 11:13:55 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: Conservatrix

Bump the funny thread.

Some of you going to out the Tooth Fairy too?


354 posted on 12/26/2005 11:15:04 AM PST by randomnumber (I have no excuse for my behavior; do you?)
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To: bonfire
I had to look really hard to see what you were upset about!

LOL. Me too, I'm 59 years old, and my eyes are not what they used to be. But little Joanna saw the picture much more easily than me.

Ugh! I had to take her back into the den and give her the "emergency present" that I was saving for her birthday next week.

;-)

Oh well.

I'm quite sure there was nothing improper meant by the post, but it was somewhat of a shock to a little munchkin on Christmas day.

Take care.

355 posted on 12/26/2005 11:16:04 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: randomnumber

Don't forget the Great Pumpkin.


356 posted on 12/26/2005 11:16:31 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: mcg1969
Ah, this brings up an interesting point. Are we lying to our kids when we say that Christmas is the day Jesus was born? I mean, the truth is, we really have no idea what day Jesus was born. The best guess is that it was sometime in the spring, given that the shepherds were watching their flocks by night, which is something they did only when they were "in season" (the spring).

Do we have to tell our children, then, as soon as they can possibly comprehend it, that December 25th was in fact a strategic choice made by the 4th century church to counter interest in pagan Saturnalia celebrations?


You could tell your kids what our priest told ours last Sunday.

That the religious beliefs of societies who ruled the known world before the birth of Christ, were derived from paganism or variations thereof. And that pagan religions from the earliest recorded time, celebrated the winter solstice as a time for celebration, marking the earth's astronomical turn from darkness, back towards the light.

That Christians were a minority for several early centuries after the life of Christ. A minority living in a majority pagan world, and a minority that was threatened with death for its beliefs (read Fox's Book of Martyrs and the stories of the lives of the early saints...read about the deaths of Christ's original disciples..) Christians were a minority that was forced to outwardly conform to pagan societal customs and celebrations, while secretly gathering together to teach, to learn and to worship.

That when the pagan society of Rome and elsewhere was celebrating lights festivals in late December to honor its gods of nature, Christians could secretly celebrate, too......knowing that their participation in festivals of light represented, to them, the light of Christ entering into a dark world. That truly no one knows the date of Christ's birth. But why not have chosen the time of the solstice, the day the earth each year turns away from darkness and to the light?

Puts a far different "spin" on this issue - and perhaps a more historically accurate perspective - than that offered by sneering secular naysayers, and fundamentals of extreme views who regard tradition as a doctrinal antithesis of Scripture rather than an adjunct... and who seem to imply that early Christians merely coopted a pagan festival so they would have an excuse to party.
357 posted on 12/26/2005 11:16:40 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Conservatrix
Ok....and so WHERE does the Easter Bunny fit into all of this??????

redrock

358 posted on 12/26/2005 11:16:49 AM PST by redrock (They'll have to pry the words "MERRY CHRISTMAS"...from my cold dead lips.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro
I hope you keep them away from pissant's threads. :)

ROFL ................. and martin_fierro's

;-)

359 posted on 12/26/2005 11:17:40 AM PST by beyond the sea (If you need a really new idea ..................... read a really old book.)
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To: Conservatrix
I bet you thought you'd get a load of support here.

Boy have you been surprised.

Lighten up and live a little. Do you think that Jesus will condemn you to hell because your children may believe in Santa?
360 posted on 12/26/2005 11:18:22 AM PST by It's me
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