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News briefs from Southern California [No more menorah, but Christmas tree stays.]
Associated Press by way of Dateline Alabama ^
| Associated Press
Posted on 12/25/2005 11:58:42 PM PST by familyop
In an effort to eliminate all religious symbols from the shopping center, management of Paseo Colorado is ending an annual Hanukkah menorah display.
But the mall's towering Christmas tree stays: Paseo Colorado managers said the tree isn't a religious symbol.
The shopping center has displayed the 13-foot-tall menorah - sponsored by Chabad of Pasadena, a Jewish congregation of about 300 people - for the past three years.
The menorah is not allowed because religious symbols are not appropriate in the commercial center, which has no religious affiliation, said Colleen Dunn, regional general manager for Ohio-based Developers Diversified Realty, which manages Paseo Colorado.
"As for the tree, it's not religiously affiliated," Dunn said. "It's just holiday decor that's become part of the decor this time of year. Our focus is on Santa Claus, which has no religious affiliation."
The synagogue's Rabbi Chaim Hanoka said he was disappointed that the shopping center eliminated the menorah display, and he's perplexed by Dunn's statement that the Christmas tree is not religious.
"You can call it whatever you like, but just about anybody in the world calls it a Christmas tree," he said.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christmastree; hanukkah; menorah; propaganda; waronchristmas
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:58:43 PM PST
by
familyop
To: SJackson
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:01:01 AM PST
by
familyop
("I guess you know that this means war!" --Saint Frosty the Snowman)
To: familyop
The political correctness is getting so ridiculous that no one knows what do anymore.
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:02:52 AM PST
by
Jean S
To: JeanS
"The political correctness is getting so ridiculous that no one knows what do anymore."
Then put up a New Year tree - and watch the ACLU types bursting from the exertion to find an objection. One could even taunt them in the process.
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:30:46 AM PST
by
GSlob
To: familyop
What a stupid bunch of merchants. If I were there, I'd boycott 'em.
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:36:27 AM PST
by
Recovering_Democrat
(I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
To: familyop
Sue the merchants for a Hate Crime in removing the menorah.
What idiots.
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:58:00 AM PST
by
Recovering Ex-hippie
(Proud to be a cynical, right wing nut job.!)
To: familyop
Christians and Jews should go to the mall, make selections, then tell the clerk they are not going to do business because of the refusal to allow traditinal Christmas decorations and that includes Christmas trees, crosses, nativity scenes.
Same for Menorahs.
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posted on
12/26/2005 1:00:49 AM PST
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
To: familyop
How is a shopping center a public square?? Does the local government own a shopping center???
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posted on
12/26/2005 1:35:05 AM PST
by
GeronL
(1678 computer infections and still Freeping!!! [Update, less than 300 remain])
To: GeronL
"How is a shopping center a public square?? Does the local government own a shopping center???"
My guess is that it's a decision by the managers/investors there to please management/investors. I haven't heard of any laws that would keep businesses from putting up religious holiday displays or to coerce them to do so.
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posted on
12/26/2005 2:04:54 AM PST
by
familyop
("War is hell." --Rudolph, Sleigh Team Leader and chain gunner)
To: familyop
Then its dumb. Shoppers, especially around this time of year, love seeing those things. Our local Mall has more than one tree, including an Angel Tree that allows shopper to buy a toy or gift for a needy child.
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posted on
12/26/2005 2:17:58 AM PST
by
GeronL
(1678 computer infections and still Freeping!!! [Update, less than 300 remain])
To: familyop
Stupid. Of course, it's Kalifornia. Watch those "evil" dollars dry up.
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posted on
12/26/2005 2:24:35 AM PST
by
Dallas59
(“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
To: familyop
The menorah is not allowed because religious symbols are not appropriate in the commercial center, which has no religious affiliation, said Colleen Dunn, regional general manager for Ohio-based Developers Diversified Realty, which manages Paseo Colorado.Fine. Then let heathens shop there. Remember: Not choosing side is a victory for the enemy.
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posted on
12/26/2005 3:35:56 AM PST
by
Caipirabob
(Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
To: familyop
But they did change their minds after receiving protests, according to KFI radio, and will put the menorah back - and that same rabbi was very pleased.
To: familyop
I don't remember the Constitution requiring separation of church and shop.
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posted on
12/26/2005 12:01:38 PM PST
by
aimhigh
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In an effort to eliminate all religious symbols from the shopping center, management of Paseo Colorado is ending an annual Hanukkah menorah display.
That's fine. I'm sure it's not the reason but at least they recognize it's a religious sympol.
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posted on
12/26/2005 3:08:23 PM PST
by
SJackson
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Now that the "settlers" have been disengaged from the mall, the poor oppressed Palestinians can shop there in peace.
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posted on
12/26/2005 3:16:41 PM PST
by
Alouette
(This tagline has been banned or suspended.)
To: familyop
"It's just holiday decor that's become part of the decor this time of year. Our focus is on Santa Claus, which has no religious affiliation." Shhh...just don't call him "St. Nick." They might change their mind.
Good grief. Absurdity run amok (again).
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posted on
12/26/2005 3:20:51 PM PST
by
kstewskis
("Go to your room!"....Dan Rowan to Dick Martin)
To: familyop
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posted on
12/26/2005 3:47:54 PM PST
by
Nachum
To: familyop
When is this idiocy going to end?
To: familyop
LOL! Doesn't this guy in charge of the mall have any minions who can maybe do a little fact checking, research, or spin doctoring for him before he opens his stupid mouth?
But of course- the only reason they want to embrace Santy Clause is because Santy does 99% of the BUYING! filthy, lying, scumbag.....(need to stop there before I end up with a string of expletives and spend all night repenting...)
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posted on
12/26/2005 4:05:05 PM PST
by
eeevil conservative
(courage is living in tyranny and speaking for freedom/not living in freedom and speaking for tyranny)
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