Archbishop Hepworth, a former Catholic priest ... what's with that?
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Posted on 12/25/2005 10:09:32 AM PST by churchillbuff
If that's the case then The Traditional Anglican Communion won't be coming home to the Roman Catholic Church. You either accept all of the teachings and publicly profess belief in said teachings of the Church or you won't be confirmed. The Church isn't a smorgasbord.
Actually the distinctness of the British Church from the Patriarchate of Rome was extinguished by the Normans. Henry VIII could point to precedents, but he did establish a new institution.
Many of the most traditional Orthodox argue for the sainthood of Harold Godwinson, Last Orthodox King of England, and his companions who died at Hastings.
The Saxon coronation rite used at Harold's coronation, did not include the filioque in the Creed, and the English church was out of communion with Rome over local matters from 1052 until the Norman invasion. Harold's daughter married Prince Vladimir Monomach of Kiev, and Saxon nobility who fled England mostly went to Constantinople or Kiev.
Henry's movement, however, was not a restoration of the pre-Norman status quo ante ecclesiologically, and the Thirty-Nine Article of Religion, the standard Anglican exposition of the faith and of ecclesiological order, are decidedly protestant, not something any of the notable British saints from before the Norman uniformization of the British church to papal rule--be it Joseph of Aramathia; Patrick, Enlightener of Ireland; David of Menavia; Chad of Litchfield; or a host of others--would have recognized or assented to.
Would the last Episcopalian pease turn out the lights?
yes prophesies is being fulfilled {and all the world wondered after the} now you all tell me what.
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I don't think they are completly "coming home" --- more being in communion, with acceptable doctrinal differences.
Archbishop Hepworth, a former Catholic priest ... what's with that?
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What percentage of Roman Catholics do you believe could do this truthfully?
Enough. And if you don't, why belong?
Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective.
However, they all share the same doctrines of faith.
"Anglican Use" is simply strange. There's one in San Antonio (www.atonmentonline.com) - and I can't get over the fact that the "priest" is married with children. It's not a Catholic church IMHO...and I cannot accept the "Anglican Use" as a valid liturgy.
Call me bigoted, biased or what have you. It's unacceptable to me.
I believe A.A. is referring to the Church hierarchy, responsible for properly instructing their faithful.
(And I don't mean this kind of married priesthood, as they have at the Episcopalian Church after seizure by the Queer Mafia coup d'etat):
That's a very good question which does not have a good answer that I've ever seen.
So what about the Catholic "priests" ordained and recpgnized by the Church who have families by reason of being married while being Protestant ministers? Are you disputing their calling?
This strange idea that everyone ought be celibate could only last any people for a generation;after that they're extinct!Priestly clibacy is required only by men not by God;or do you deny the Levites ?
This is an important point but it's also worth noting that there is a significant movement within the Catholic Church which is clearly not comfortable with Catholic teaching in key areas, including sexuality, the all male priesthood, the role of the Pope and other key doctrinal issues such as the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament, etc., etc.
I sure hope we're not going to run a fine tooth comb over the new converts while ignoring the usual suspects who continue to openly question Church teaching yet still call themselves Catholic.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be sure about the whole-hearted assent of the new converts to Catholic teaching. Just that I hope they're not held to a different standard than our home-grown heretics.
Maybe we could do a trade. We can bring in some traditional Anglicans and ship out (i.e. excommunicate) some liberal-modernists in return.
Oh. So that explains you.
"I believe the position is going to be agree-to-disagree about Mary
If that's the case then The Traditional Anglican Communion won't be coming home to the Roman Catholic Church. You either accept all of the teachings and publicly profess belief in said teachings of the Church or you won't be confirmed. The Church isn't a smorgasbord."
If the TAC holds the traditional "Anglo-Catholic" beliefs about Mary, then they follow Rome's lead on this already and they will probably be more orthodox on this issue than most in the N.O. Church.
In fact, apart from them not being in communion in Rome, they are probably more orthodox than most home-grown Catholics in most areas of doctrine. It is the convert former-Anglican clergy who seem to be having a harder time with the liberalization of the faith in these parts than do the cradle-Catholic clergy.
http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3394&com_id=28556&com_rootid=28556&com_mode=thread&
SAN DIEGO, CA: Traditionalist Parish Leaves ECUSA for APA. Priest inhibited
By David W. Virtue
ALPINE, CA (12/16/2005)--A traditionalist, Forward in Faith parish in the Diocese of San Diego has walked away from its building and allied itself with the Anglican Province of America (APA), coming under the ecclesiastical authority of Bishop Richard Boyce, (Diocese of the West) and its Presiding Bishop Walter Grundorf.
Father Keith Acker, 49, left with his parish, Christ the King (East County of San Diego) "to walk with the Primates of the Global South and formed Alpine Anglican Church of the Blessed Trinity." They will meet Sunday morning at Alpine Elementary School. The Vestry didn't want to get bogged down in litigation over a building, as much as it is a holy place. The decision was 7 to 0 with one abstention, said Acker.
Fr. Acker, who is also the Communications Director for Forward in Faith North America, told VirtueOnline that, "we have been accepted this week in the Anglican Province of America as a priest of the Diocese of the West. The congregation will this Sunday make a formal request to become a mission. This is the beginning of the realignment here in San Diego."
"Archbishop Hepworth, a former Catholic priest ... what's with that?"
That is what jumped out at me from the article as well. This is the first time I have heard he was a former Catholic priest.
I wonder if anybody out there would know what his situation is from the canonical p.o.v. if the TAC did reconcile with Rome? Does anyone know if he has married since becoming an Anglican? Would it be likely that he would be able to retain his position if they were in communion with the Catholic Church?
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