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To: narses

"Anglican Use" is simply strange. There's one in San Antonio (www.atonmentonline.com) - and I can't get over the fact that the "priest" is married with children. It's not a Catholic church IMHO...and I cannot accept the "Anglican Use" as a valid liturgy.

Call me bigoted, biased or what have you. It's unacceptable to me.


31 posted on 12/25/2005 2:13:14 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: AlaninSA
O.K.,you're bigoted.

So what about the Catholic "priests" ordained and recpgnized by the Church who have families by reason of being married while being Protestant ministers? Are you disputing their calling?

This strange idea that everyone ought be celibate could only last any people for a generation;after that they're extinct!Priestly clibacy is required only by men not by God;or do you deny the Levites ?

35 posted on 12/25/2005 2:38:47 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: AlaninSA

The beauty of being Catholic is realizing that it isn't up to us, it is God who chooses via his Vicar on Earth.

May your Christmas be a Grace filled wonder and your New Year filled with all of the good things the Grace of Our Lord has planned for you and yours.


41 posted on 12/25/2005 3:10:10 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: AlaninSA
"Anglican Use" is simply strange.

No, it's confusing, I realize, but Anglican Use Parishes are fully part of the Latin Rite Roman Catholic Church. It is "Anglican Rite" that is a schismatic/breakaway from the Anglican church. There is a Roman Catholic Anglican Use church here in Houston, to which I went one time. I liked it, but the differences in the Mass are so subtle anyway, especially in the High churches, that you wouldn't really be able to tell the difference if you didn't know. One thing that was cool, during the Eucharist they would play three rounds (peals) of the church carillon and genuflect three times, for a total of nine times. I liked it, but when I get out of RCIA, I think I might join our local RCC parish that uses the Tridentine ritual. It's the best Ive seen.

72 posted on 12/25/2005 8:34:13 PM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The enemy gives no quarter, they should be shown none.)
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To: AlaninSA

I'm a mega fan of clerical celibacy myself, but for better or worse, it is a disciplinary and not a doctrinal matter that the Church can waive as is the case in some of the eastern Catholic rites and on an individual basis with some Protestant converts. Liturgy is a mixture of disciplinary and doctrinal matters, but the competent authorities in the Church do have the right to legislate differences in liturgy, so long as core doctrinal requirements are met. There are several rites that have had long existence in the Church.


88 posted on 12/25/2005 10:09:00 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: AlaninSA

You are totally wrong. Our Anglican Use parish is 100% Roman Catholic. Our priest is married and has two kids and I dare you to find a priest more Catholic than he is. And the Anglican Use is a valid liturgy, and we have a proclamation on the wall in the narthex signed by the late Pope John Paul II that says so. Are you going to argue with him?

To sum up: if you are a Catholic in union with the Pope then you HAVE TO accept the AU as a valid liturgy. Period.

The AU movement is the "X factor" that God has sent to destroy the pollution that has corrupted the Church (especially in the English-speaking world) since World War II. Oppose it and you oppose God.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I'm not much for mincing words.


89 posted on 12/25/2005 10:45:39 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: AlaninSA; narses
I cannot accept the "Anglican Use" as a valid liturgy. Call me bigoted, biased or what have you. It's unacceptable to me.

Well of course you can't, if you look back at the history. The Roman Catholic Church was on its Live Human Candles! tear (when did they finally figure out that burning people alive for their beliefs wasn't a terrible good idea?), and among their various experiments in live incendiaries was the author of the English liturgy, Cranmer.

Burn him to death, then adopt his liturgy. Nice piece of work.

Do you think they give him credit in the Anglican Use? Do they even mention him if only to say: "We Burned the Original Heretical Author of This Liturgy to Death at the Stake (but really, it's safe for you to use this liturgy)"?

107 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:00 AM PST by Clint Williams
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To: AlaninSA
What about african rite churches whose priests are married as a matter of course?. Hence the term "rite". And BTW I don't consider you to be bigoted, just misinformed.

CC

112 posted on 12/26/2005 10:17:37 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Billy Tauzin about Louisiana: "half the state is under water, the other half is under indictment")
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To: AlaninSA
and I cannot accept the "Anglican Use" as a valid liturgy.

Come on, you can't really mean that. The Anglican Use liturgy was approved by the Congregation for Divine Worship in the early 1980s. Thus, it has Vatican approval as a valid, licit liturgy. The liturgy may not be as old as that of the Eastern Rites, but it has Papal approval.

That being said, I can certainly understand it if you don't feel any particular affinity for the Anglican Use liturgy. The Church has through canonical procedures, however, declared it valid.

P.S. I don't attend an Anglican Use liturgy parish, but I do want to point out that its liturgy is considered valid by the Holy See.
166 posted on 12/27/2005 7:48:28 AM PST by hispanichoosier
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