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To: AlaninSA; narses
I cannot accept the "Anglican Use" as a valid liturgy. Call me bigoted, biased or what have you. It's unacceptable to me.

Well of course you can't, if you look back at the history. The Roman Catholic Church was on its Live Human Candles! tear (when did they finally figure out that burning people alive for their beliefs wasn't a terrible good idea?), and among their various experiments in live incendiaries was the author of the English liturgy, Cranmer.

Burn him to death, then adopt his liturgy. Nice piece of work.

Do you think they give him credit in the Anglican Use? Do they even mention him if only to say: "We Burned the Original Heretical Author of This Liturgy to Death at the Stake (but really, it's safe for you to use this liturgy)"?

107 posted on 12/26/2005 9:38:00 AM PST by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams
The Roman Catholic Church was on its Live Human Candles! tear (when did they finally figure out that burning people alive for their beliefs wasn't a terrible good idea?)

My namesake, St. Edmund Campion, was hung, drawn, and quartered under the Protestant "Good Queen Bess" (Elizabeth I).

If you're not familiar with the punishment, it involved being first strangled with a rope until semi-conscious, then being cut down, disembowelled (while usually still alive) by a butcher, having one's intestines burnt under one's nose, then having one's private parts cut off, and finally being beheaded and having the dead torso cut into four pieces "to be placed at the Queen's disposal". (Fortunately, she usually chose to bury them, although the head was sometimes exhibited for a time until it got rotten.)

He was technically convicted of treason against Queen Elizabeth I, but the content of his "crime" consisted of hearing Mass and saying confessions, that is, he was a Catholic priest. He swore allegiance to the queen at his trial in every matter except the content of his religious beliefs.

Your move, if you still want to maintain Protestant moral superiority. It seems to me that a dispassionate study of history will reveal plenty of sin on both sides.

123 posted on 12/26/2005 2:56:26 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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