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Major Anglican Group Prepares for Full Communion With Rome
virtueonline/National Catholic Register ^
| Dec 23 05
| Edward Pentin
Posted on 12/25/2005 10:09:32 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:14:21 AM PST
by
big'ol_freeper
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
To: churchillbuff
God in Heaven, bring this to completion!!
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:22:41 AM PST
by
ishmac
To: churchillbuff
Has anyone heard word if the Celtic Apostolic church has approved the split as well?
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:24:40 AM PST
by
mnehring
(“Anybody who doesn’t appreciate what America has done and President Bush, let them go to hell”...)
To: churchillbuff
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:26:31 AM PST
by
Scarchin
(www.classdismissedblog.com.)
To: Scarchin
Henry VIII is spinning in his grave (and not just on the fiery spit he's been attached to since descending into hell in the 1500's).
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:34:35 AM PST
by
The Cuban
To: big'ol_freeper
To: churchillbuff
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:47:07 AM PST
by
freema
(Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
To: churchillbuff
The Vatican is, however, understood to be urging those groups wishing to come into communion with it to demonstrate they are comfortable with Church teaching, and that they aren't motivated soley by disillusionment with the Anglican Communion
This is a pretty important point. Conservative Episcopalians might be furious at some of the recent liberalization actions, but there are also serious issues regarding marriage of (heterosexual) clergy and the Roman Catholic Church's emphasis on the role of Mary in redemption that would have to be overcome before any true reunitement could occur.
To: churchillbuff
That's really interesting news. I'm a little unclear on whether this will be an actual joining of the RCC by these churches, but it's interesting.
I know that it's possible for an Anglican priest to become a Catholic priest, even if married. I wonder if a similar dispensation will be made if this merger takes place.
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:47:18 AM PST
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
To: churchillbuff
"400,000 clergy and laity"
Maybe worldwide, but that number seems a bit inflated to me. The TAC is not a large group in the US, but does have a larger number of members in Africa and the Far East.
Also there have already been parishes leave the TAC over this and others are watching and waiting to see what happens, so I think the numbers will not be what anyone is anticipating if this comes about.
How do I know this? I'm a member.
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posted on
12/25/2005 10:54:08 AM PST
by
kalee
To: churchillbuff
What great news!
I pray that the Orthodox Churches will follow suit and see all the great Christian churches coming together again.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:01:50 AM PST
by
dbostan
To: The Cuban
Henry the VIII ("the Defender of the Faith," as named by the then-pope) merely attached his name to a Church movement that was already well underway.
The Anglican church was created (historically, and this is doubted by many) by Joseph of Aramathia and "grew up" apostolically outside the Roman Catholic church as (in part) the Celtic Church.
It only became a part of the RCC through the efforts of St. Augestine at the Synod of Whitby -- and was always a paid in the arse, with great distrust of hierarchy and its own traditions and rules (e.g., married priests, monastaries being , the occassional mass in English, etc.).
The "Henry the VIII created the Anglican Church" is really B.S. It was happening and he saw the writing and pushed it along for his selfish purposes.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:10:56 AM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
To: tanknetter
Correct.
I believe the position is going to be agree-to-disagree about Mary, although that may have changed.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:12:36 AM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
To: churchillbuff
Ordaining women as bishops is particularly contentious for those opposed to women priests as they would be unable to recognize or accept the authority of all priests, male or female, who were ordained by female bishops. I hadn't really clicked why female bishops are worse than female priests, but of course, this explanation clarifies it.
Anglicans believe in the idea of the apostolic succession, although the Catholic Church questions the validity of their ordinations. Once you introduce doubt into the ordination process, it would be impossible to tell whether a priest, male or female, was validly ordained. You would need to get the whole pedigree to be sure, or conditionally ordain everyone all over again.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:25:11 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: MeanWestTexan
This is very questionable history. I was an Anglican, and I never heard anything of the sort. There were vague claims to being a separate tradition, and it's true that some English and Irish were Catholics before Augustine was sent to England. But this tale makes nonsense of the whole history of the middle ages in England.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:27:10 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: MeanWestTexan; tanknetter
This is a pretty important point. Conservative Episcopalians might be furious at some of the recent liberalization actions, but there are also serious issues regarding marriage of (heterosexual) clergy and the Roman Catholic Church's emphasis on the role of Mary in redemption that would have to be overcome before any true reunitement could occur.Some of the really "Anglo-Catholic" Anglicans are really Marian. I walked into one of their churches in Newport, RI, and I thought it was a Catholic Church. They pray the Rosary.
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:29:36 AM PST
by
Pyro7480
(Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
To: churchillbuff
Ut omnes unum sint, sicut tu, Pater, in me et ego in te.
To: churchillbuff; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...
There has been a long and often close relationship between
the Anglican and Catholic Churches. In certain situations
there remains a mutual recognition of the validity of key
doctrines, liturgies, and practices. And the Catholic
Church continues to hold the faith and moral teachings as
taught by the Apostles.
I understand that there is also an
Anglican Use liturgy
within the Catholic Church, wherein the Book of Common Prayer
is used for the Mass (with minor updates). So there is no need
to lose the liturgy Anglicans may be familiar with.
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posted on 08/05/2003 5:19 PM PDT by polemikos
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:32:40 AM PST
by
narses
(St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
To: MineralMan
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posted on
12/25/2005 11:33:27 AM PST
by
narses
(St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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