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Stones indicate earlier Christian link? (Possible Christians in China in 1st Century AD)
China Daily ^ | 12/22/05 | Wang Shanshan

Posted on 12/22/2005 6:01:19 PM PST by wagglebee

One day in a spring, an elderly man walked alone on a stone road lined by young willows in Xuzhou in East China's Jiangsu Province. At the end of the road was a museum that few people have heard of.


A Chinese theology professor says the first Christmas is depicted in the stone relief from the Eastern Han Dynasty (AD 25-220). In the picture above a woman and a man are sitting around what looks like a manger, with allegedly "the three wise men" approaching from the left side, holding gifts, "the shepherd" following them, and "the assassins" queued up, kneeling, on the right.

As he wandered into the dimly-lit gallery, he was stunned by what he saw. Was he standing, he asked himself, in front of the famous Gates of Paradise in Florence?

Wang Weifan, a 78-year-old scholar of early Christian history in China, said he saw images from Bible stories similar to those engraved in the doors of the Baptistry of St John. But in Florence he didn't.

Even so, the art objects could be more precious in their own way if the early Christian clues that Wang believes he detected can ever be confirmed. They are from the Eastern Han Dynasty (AD 25-220), China's parallel to the Roman Empire, and almost a millennium older than the gilt-bronze gates of Florence.

"There was Christmas. There was Genesis. There was Paradise Lost. They were on display, one by one, on 10 stone bas-reliefs excavated from an aristocrat's tomb in the Han Dynasty," said Wang, a professor of theology at the Jinling Theological Seminary in Nanjing, as he told his story to China Daily.

Before Wang's discovery tour to the Han Dynasty Stone Relief Museum in 2002, no one seriously believed that, merely 100 or so years after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, his teachings could have reached as far as to China.

There were myths. There was legend. But hardly any evidence.

But now Wang says the early Christian connection with China no longer seems entirely groundless. "It really happened," he said.

The reliefs were carved on the stone tablets from two tombs, discovered in 1995 at a place called Jiunudun, or "Terrace of Nine Women," in suburban Xuzhou. Many stone reliefs were found when tombs at the site were first excavated in 1954.

Art historians have long believed that the stone carvings portray the tomb owners in their life after death in ancient China. The styles and the themes were simliar to those found in Shandong Province.

But Wang has a different interpretation.

"The Bible stories were told on the stones in a kind of time sequence," he said.

One of the reliefs showed the sun, the moon, living creatures in the seas, birds of heaven, wild animals and reptiles - images that Wang linked to the Creation story in Genesis.

"Another one depicted a woman taking fruit from 'the tree of knowledge of good and evil' and a snake biting her right sleeve," Wang said. "It also included the angel sent by God to guard the tree. That's similar to the 'Eve Tricked by the Serpent' story in the Bible."

The professor thought at first it was Judaism in which the owner of the tomb possibly believed, but what he saw in two of the stones changed everything.

"There were four fishermen in the picture," Wang said of an image in the eighth stone. "It reminded me of the story in the New Testament about Peter, Andrew, James and John, (four of Jesus' disciples) who were all fishermen."

And in the sixth stone, a woman and man are sitting around what looks like a manger, with three men approaching from the left side, holding gifts, and other men queued up, kneeling, on the right. In that scene, Wang said he saw the first Christmas.

The bas-reliefs followed the artistic style of early Christianity in the Middle East, Wang said.

"Some have decorative designs of the Arabic number 8, formed by two rare animals crossing their necks. They were almost the same as designs on Uruk oval seals found in the Euphrates River and Tigris River valleys in the Middle East," he said.

Scholars agree that the date of the tomb is in the mid-to late Han Dynasty period, which could be anywhere from about AD 100 to 220. And it seems equally clear that the aristocrat buried in it commissioned artisans to carve the scenes.

But could he have been a Christian?

If Wang's suspicions are right, the time of Christianity's arrival in China could be as early as the end of the 1st century, more than 500 years before the widely recognized date.

However, Wang's opinion is opposed by a number of Chinese historians, archaeologists and other scholars.

Christian history

Historians currently believe that Christianity had been introduced to China by the middle of the 7th century.

In evidence is a stone stele, about 2.75 metres tall, bearing inscriptions about an AD 635 meeting between a Nestorian Christian monk named Alopen from Syria and Chinese Emperor Taizong (599-649) of the Tang Dynasty (618-907).

The stele, excavated in 1625 in Xi'an, capital of Northwest China's Shaanxi Province, documented Taizong's approval to spread Christianity. Xi'an, called Chang'an in the Tang era, was the capital of one of the most open and prosperous dynasties in Chinese history.

Nestorians were believed to be the first Western expatriates in China, according to Wang Meixiu, professor at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

But the Nestorians had little time to convert the Han. Emperor Wu Zong abolished Buddhism and other religions except Taoism in AD 845.

Christianity flourished to different extents three other times before the 20th century: during the Yuan (1271-1368), late Ming (1368-1644) and early Qing (1644-1911) dynasties, and after the First Opium War (1840-42).

Both Nestorians and the Catholics arrived in the second wave in the 13th century, and Christianity flourished again mainly among the ruling Mongols and the ethnic minority groups.

But its influence vanished soon after the Mongols retreated to the northern grassland when the Yuan Dynasty fell.

Catholic missionaries who arrived from the 16th to the 18th centuries converted a number of Han including a Chinese prime minister named Xu Guangqi (1562-1633), but their achievements failed to continue in the early 19th century for complicated reasons, Wang Meixiu said.

In the late 19th century, Christianity flourished for its fourth time in China with the arrival of Western colonialists.

St Thomas in Asia

But as it often happens, legends that do not go exactly in line with the official history have been handed down for millennia.

One of them concerns the arrival of Christianity in China in the 1st century, said Gu Weimin, historian and professor at Shanghai University, in his book "Christianity and Modern Chinese Society," published by Shanghai People's Publishing House in 1996.

According to the legend, St. Thomas, one of the 12 Apostles, left Jerusalem for Babylon and from there sailed to India. He landed in Cranganore, now called Kodungallur, on the southwestern coast of India, about 1,300 kilometres south of Bombay.

Legend says that after Thomas established a base of operations there, he headed for China. He was killed in India in AD 72 after he returned from the trip.

Both J. Xaveriana (1506-52) and Matteo Ricci (1552-1610), two of the most influential missionaries from the Society of Jesus, claimed in their writings that they found evidence supporting that Thomas had made his way to China successfully. They said they were quoting evidence from documents in Indian and Roman churches, Gu said.

"If St Thomas really made it, he should have left some clues for us to find," he added.

The controversy

One of those clues could be the 10 stone bas-reliefs in the aristocrat's tomb, which, archaeologists have determined through various methods including carbon dating, was built during the Eastern Han Dynasty.

"The owner of the tomb, about whom little has been known, was probably a Christian, though he was not necessarily converted by St Thomas or his disciples," Professor Wang Weifan said.

"It was natural that people had a statement made in their tombs of their identities," remarked Qi Tieying, president of the Yanjing Seminary in Beijing. "It happened that Christians usually buried a copy of the Bible with them.

"The tomb owner probably commissioned artisans to make the beautiful stones stating his beliefs."

Other scholars, however, doubt Wang Weifan's opinion. About Wang's linking the reliefs to the Bible stories. Zhu Qingsheng, professor at Peking University, said: "Stone reliefs from the Han Dynasty can be interpreted in too many ways because they are all vague and dim."

And Xin Lixiang, director of the department of archaeology at the National Museum of China, was more direct.

"Fancy those stones having anything to do with Christianity!" he said. "I am more than familiar with those reliefs in the Jiunudun Tomb and cannot imagine their telling the Bible stories. It's impossible."

Other Chinese theological researchers also thought the Nanjing-based professor's interpretation "hard to believe."

"Why was such an evidence of early Christianity was found only in Xuzhou?" said Wang Meixiu, of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. "The city lies inland, away from the ancient route of communications between the East and West. How could the ancient Christians travel there without leaving any trace in those towns along the route?"

Xin cited a parallel in the arrival of Buddhism to China.

"As often was the case, foreign religions first arrived in China through international transportation," he said. "There were recent pieces of evidence of the arrival of Buddhism during the Han Dynasty, also earlier than it is commonly thought. But they were all collected from excavation sites in coastal cities, such as Lianyungang and Yinan, both on the East China Sea. Little, so far as I know, could be obtained from Xuzhou, which is more than 250 kilometres away from the sea."

Besides their location in an inland city, the date of the reliefs is also problematic when considered as evidence of the arrival of Christianity, according to Tong Xun, professor at Beijing Union University.

"The timing of the 1st century is too early to be true," she said. "Christianity was far from being well-established then. Even at its place of origin, it spread mainly among the disadvantaged people in society."

Despite the many objections of the other scholars, Wang's discovery will definitely arouse the interest of historians in the Chinese Christian community, who will take up the research, said Qi, of Yanjing Seminary.

"They are not going to say no to Professor Wang without making investigations, because he is the 'flagship' historian in the Chinese Christian community," Qi said. "He is a master not only of the Christian history in China, but also of Chinese art and culture.

"There could be an earthquake in the world's Christian community and probably outside it if Professor Wang is right.

"World history could be rewritten."



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To: Dustbunny

I'm not so sure, one thing that the Chicoms have figured out is not to interfere with anything that they can make money from. I think they are more likely to turn this into a tourist trap where they will sell cheap religious trinkets.


41 posted on 12/23/2005 7:38:53 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: adam_az

Wow.
Very clear. The Magi, Mary, Jesus, manger. One could even imagine the shepherd above Mary's head.
I wonder why it's not as obvious to the Chinese as it is to ANY Christian.

42 posted on 12/23/2005 7:54:31 AM PST by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: wagglebee

To the great dismay of the Multicultural Politically Correct crowd, ever growing evidence indicates that Europe was the source of cultures as far flung as China and the earliest migrations to the Americas.


43 posted on 12/23/2005 8:30:43 AM PST by pabianice (I guess)
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Benjamin of Tudela, a Spanish Jew, was even earlier than D'Ancona and Polo, but he didn't wander as far as China:
The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela:
Travels in the Middle Ages

by Benjamin of Tudela


The World of Benjamin of Tudela:
A Medieval Mediterranean Travelogue

by Sandra Benjamin


Past Perfect
On the Road to Paradise
Archaeology Odyssey

May/June 2000
(dead link)


The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela

Numerics Of Hebrews Worldwide Distribution Around 1170 Ad According To Binyamin Of Tudela
E. Spedicato
(via the Wayback Machine)

44 posted on 12/23/2005 10:21:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: wagglebee

About 5 years ago I read an article about the discovery of an ancient Nativity Scene found buried in the attic of a Bhuddist Temple. The article dated these statues to the 1st Century and linked them to St. Thomas's evangelical journeys begun after Christ's crucifixion and rising. I was astonished at this revelation.

The article said that great effort had been to purge any remnant of Christianity from this town -- and not in the recent Cultural Revolution. The effort to purge the town of traces of Christianity dated back 2000 years.


45 posted on 12/23/2005 10:32:51 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wagglebee

As I remember, it was thought that the temple where the nativity scene was found (it might have bee an altar piece) was thought to have been a Christian Church as far back as the 1st century and then converted to another religion thousands of years ago.


46 posted on 12/23/2005 10:45:52 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Here's another thread from the archives on that:

Romans in China?

Baffled peasants in a windswept village in Gansu province are being described by Chinese newspapers as blond-haired, blue-eyed descendants of Roman mercenaries who allegedly fought the Han Chinese 2,000 years ago. While no one in the modern town of Lou Zhuangzi is fair and there is no proof that the Romans ever set foot in Gansu before the Christian era, the reports have revived discussion over whether a group of Romans offered their services to the Hun warlord Jzh Jzh in 36 B.C. before settling in the Gansu village of Liqian, thought by some to be Lou Zhuangzi.

This idea was first proposed by Homer Hasenphlug Dubs, an Oxford University professor of Chinese history, who speculated in 1955 that some of the 10,000 Roman prisoners taken by the Parthians after the battle of Carrhae in southeastern Turkey in 53 B.C. made their way east to Uzbekistan to enlist with Jzh Jzh against the Han. Chinese accounts of the battle, in which Jzh Jzh was decapitated and his army defeated, note unusual military formations and the use of wooden fortifications foreign to the nomadic Huns. Dubs postulated that after the battle the Chinese employed the Roman mercenaries as border guards, settling them in Liqian, a short form of Alexandria used by the Chinese to denote Rome. While some Chinese scholars have been critical of Dubs' hypothesis, others went so far as to identify Lou Zhuangzi as the probable location of Liqian in the late 1980s.

Ten years later, still no academic papers have been published on the subject, and no archaeological investigation has been conducted in Lou Zhuangzi, but the media and local government remain unfazed. County officials, sensing potential tourist revenue, have erected a Doric pavilion in Lou Zhuangzi, while the county capital of Yongchang has decorated its main thoroughfare with enormous statues of a Roman soldier and a Roman woman flanking a Communist party official.

47 posted on 12/23/2005 10:47:21 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Tax-chick; Happygal; Colosis; blackbird149

It's true, Palladius is the real patron saint of Ireland!!

St. Pally's Day? Nah, doesn't work...


48 posted on 12/23/2005 10:54:23 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Fedora
Thanks.

"Baffled peasants in a windswept village in Gansu province are being described by Chinese newspapers as blond-haired, blue-eyed descendants of Roman mercenaries who allegedly fought the Han Chinese 2,000 years ago. While no one in the modern town of Lou Zhuangzi is fair and there is no proof that the Romans ever set foot in Gansu before the Christian era, the reports have revived discussion over whether a group of Romans offered their services to the Hun warlord Jzh Jzh in 36 B.C. before settling in the Gansu village of Liqian, thought by some to be Lou Zhuangzi."

One archaeologist I've read says that all Europeans have their origins in Gansu Province, China.

49 posted on 12/23/2005 10:59:44 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Is the archaeologist you're referring to the Mallory and Mair Tarim Mummies book?
50 posted on 12/23/2005 11:28:52 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
"Is the archaeologist you're referring to the Mallory and Mair Tarim Mummies book?"

It's in that book that they quote N. Narain, who believes this. Did you read that excellent book?

51 posted on 12/23/2005 11:33:34 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
I haven't read it yet--I've been meaning to after I finish digesting the Barber Mummies of Urumchi book, which I started but haven't finished--but when I was looking at an older post I saw you mentioned the Mallory and Mair book in relation to Gansu, which is why I was wondering if that was what you were referring to. Is this the same Narain?--looks like he's written some interesting stuff.

History of the Center for South Asia and South Asian Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison

South Asian studies lost an important scholarly force when Richard Robinson died unexpectedly from an accident in 1968. Despite this terrible loss, the Department of Indian Studies and the South Asian Area Center continued to grow as Steven Beyer, Tibetan Buddhism; Marc Galanter, Indian law; Muhammad Memon, Arabic and Persian language and literature; A.K. Narain, ancient Indian history and numismatics; John Richards, modern Indian history and kinship; and V. Narayana Rao, Telugu language and literature, joined the faculty in the early 1970s. . .Dr. A.K. Narain of the BHU faculty played a major part in establishing the program in Varanasi.

A.K. Narain, The Indo-Greeks

This is the fourth printing of The Indo-Greeks (the first three were published in 1957, 1962 and 1980). This revisit of the original 1957 text is supplemented by later contributions made by the author. It includes a chapter published in The Cambridge Ancient History, Vol. VIII and some articles which take into account the archaeological findings at Ai-Khanum and results of interactions between the Greeks and Indians. . .This book deals with the remarkable story of the Graeco-Bactrian and Graeco-Indian peoples who interacted, and gradually became integrated, with the peoples and cultures of India. Until this book, the advanced study of this remarkable episode in the ancient history of Asia had been confined to European scholars. Narain is the first Asian historian to produce a monograph on the subject. This work, which has been translated into Hindi and Chinese, is based mainly on the coins which are their most important historical records, the classical literary sources in Sanskrit and Pali, Greek, Latin and Chinese, epigraphic documents and material evidence from archaeological excavations. This book gives a detailed and a reasonably accurate account of the vicissitudes of the Indo-Greek kingdoms and clears up many misconceptions. The history of the Indo-Greeks is placed on a firm basis of chronology, and is seen against more than one background—the world of the heirs of Alexander in Western Asia, that of the successors of the Mauryas in India and the local elements in Bactria at the end of the Achaemenids.

The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia, edited by Dennis Sinor

This volume introduces the geographical setting of Central Asia and follows its history from the palaeolithic era to the rise of the Mongol empire in the thirteenth century. From earliest times Central Asia linked and separated the great sedentary civilisations of Europe and Asia. In the pre-modern period ‘Inner Asia’ was definable more as a cultural than a geographical entity, its frontiers shifting according to the changing balances of power. Written by distinguished international scholars who have pioneered the exploration of Central Asia’s poorly documented past, this volume discusses chronologically the varying historical achievements of the disparate population groups in the region. Contents

Preface; 1. Introduction: the concept of Inner Asia Denis Sinor; 2. The geographical setting Robert N. Taaffe; 3. Inner Asia at the dawn of history A. P. Okladnikov; 4. The Scythians and Sarmatians A. I. Melyukvoa; 5. The Hsiung-nu Ying-Shih Yu; 6. Indo-Europeans in Inner Asia A. K. Narain; 7. The Hun period Denis Sinor; 8. The Avars Samuel Szadeczky-Kardoss; 9. The peoples of the Russian forest belt Peter B. Golden; 10. The peoples of the south Russian steppes Peter B. Golden; 11. The establishment and dissolution of the Turk empire Denis Sinor; 12. The Uighars Colin Mackerras; 13. The Karakhanids and early Islam Peter B. Golden; 14. Early and medieval Tibet Helmut Hoffman; 15. The forest peoples of Manchuria: Kitans and Jurchens Herbert Franke; Bibliographies; Index. Contributors

Denis Sinor, Robert N. Taaffe, A. P. Okladnikov, A. I. Melyukova, Ying-Shih Yu, A. K. Narain, Samuel Szadeczky-Kardoss, Peter B. Golden, Colin Mackerras, Helmut Hoffman, Herbert Franke

A.K. Narain, The Date of the Historical Sakyamuni Buddha

This book The Date of the Historical Sakyamuni Buddha includes fifteen articles on the date of the historical Sakyamuni Buddha, ten of which submitted by Indian scholars to a workshop on the subject held in 1990, three by scholars from outside and two English translations of old French articles of importance. Many of these contributions take into account the papers submitted to a Conference on the subject held at Gottingen in 1988. The consensus of the articles in this book is in favour of confirming 483 (486) B.C. as the date of the Parinirvana of the historical Buddha as against any later date.

52 posted on 12/23/2005 11:58:57 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thanks!


53 posted on 12/23/2005 4:22:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: feedback doctor

I have a web address that says the same about the characters....
www.wbschool.org/chinesecharacters.htm

in Him, Merry Christmas


54 posted on 12/24/2005 6:00:06 AM PST by jacobsohns
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56 posted on 04/11/2006 1:09:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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