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School cancels Salvation Army fundraising trip (Madison, WI)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 12/9/05 | YANA PASKOVA ypaskova@madison.com

Posted on 12/09/2005 11:50:33 AM PST by Jean S

Chavez Elementary School canceled a third-grade field trip to raise money for the Salvation Army after a parent objected to having public school students help the religious-based charitable organization.

The district received a phone call from a parent who was "concerned about promoting religious organizations through the Salvation kettle point collection," district spokesman Ken Syke said.

School officials said the trip, in which the students were to serve as bell-ringers at the Salvation Army's red kettle collection points, was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state and told teachers to stop sending permission slips to students' families.

Assistant Superintendent Sue Abplanalp said Chavez staff chose the organization due to its charity work with the poor and homeless rather than for its Christian basis.

Two third-grade teachers said students participated in an identical field trip with the Salvation Army last year.

One of the teachers who organized the field trip last year, Amy Carran, said parents could opt their child out of both the 2004 and 2005 trips.

"My kids were very disappointed," Carran said. "A lot of them said, 'It's not fair; it's not fair. Why can't that parent just keep their child home that day? It's not fair that the rest of us can't go.'"

Another Salvation Army employee, Donald Haar, who answers the Salvation Army's bell- ringer hot line, said he didn't agree with the district's decision, pointing out his staff has previously had atheists and agnostics collect money for the poor.

"What really bothers me is what canceling the field trip does to the kids," he said. "It says that having a religion is a bad thing, that believing is a bad thing, and that is not the message our country should be sending right now. It should instead be encouraging our kids to volunteer."

Chavez principal Howard Fried said there are other ways to instill a charitable spirit in students.

"My feeling is that we can certainly accomplish the same goals by having a service project within an organization that doesn't have a religious affiliation, and I'm hoping that sometime in the future they'll come up with an alternative," Fried said.

The Salvation Army's mission is to "preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and to meet human needs in His name without discrimination," according to the organization's Web site.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: charity; fundraising; jesushaters; madisonwi; salvationarmy; waronchristmas
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1 posted on 12/09/2005 11:50:34 AM PST by Jean S
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To: JeanS

WI is really starting to p*ss me off!


2 posted on 12/09/2005 11:52:01 AM PST by add925
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To: JeanS

But hey, there's no war on Christmas. That's just the paranoia of a few right-wing fundies...right?


3 posted on 12/09/2005 11:52:19 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: JeanS



So one rules all.


4 posted on 12/09/2005 11:53:19 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: JeanS

There is no constitutional separation of church and state.

There is, however, a constitutional right to practice our religion, anytime, anywhere, including schools.

If you don't want your children participating then keep them out that day, but don't tell others not to do it.


5 posted on 12/09/2005 11:54:34 AM PST by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: JeanS

Then have THAT little cretin, stay home.

This is getting to be ridiculous.


6 posted on 12/09/2005 11:55:24 AM PST by nmh ( Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: JeanS

And the original purpose of the permission slips would have been what?????

The correct answer to this bozo or bozette would have been, "What you are holding is a permission slip. If you don't want your child to participate then mark NO." Hang up, off the record comment "Idiot".


7 posted on 12/09/2005 11:56:03 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: Awestruck

Funny how they always ignore that "free exercise thereof" phrase, ain't it?


8 posted on 12/09/2005 11:56:22 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: JeanS

Two third-grade teachers said students participated in an identical field trip with the Salvation Army last year.

One of the teachers who organized the field trip last year, Amy Carran, said parents could opt their child out of both the 2004 and 2005 trips.




So WHAT CHANGED THIS YEAR?

Keep the little atheist home and let others have some joy.


9 posted on 12/09/2005 11:56:36 AM PST by nmh ( Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: JeanS
the dem/stealth-commies here in madison are not all that afraid to voice their anti-(use, values, morality, etc) twaddle...

it is a nice place to live other than the winter months...

10 posted on 12/09/2005 11:58:26 AM PST by NoClones
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To: JeanS
I bet if the school sent the kids to help collect cash in a cauldron while banging a hammer and sickle together these parents would have no problem at all: especially if the money was donated to planned parenthood.
11 posted on 12/09/2005 11:59:00 AM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: nmh
Getting to be? How about gotten to be? IMHO, it got ugly a number of years ago. Especially in the People's Republic of Madison (or Madistan).
12 posted on 12/09/2005 11:59:10 AM PST by brewcrew
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

WI ping!


13 posted on 12/09/2005 12:00:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: JeanS
I would hate to be the kid of the parent that complained, he stopped a field trip (read a day with no school) the kids are not going to like that, he is not going to be very popular.
14 posted on 12/09/2005 12:00:22 PM PST by mpop
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To: JeanS
Blame the people who elected a spineless school board.

With the secret ballot, those who voted for the current regime has no accountability.

15 posted on 12/09/2005 12:00:37 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: JeanS

The 1st Amendment prohibits Congress from passing legislation that has to do with the establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof. It doesn't prohibit either of those things, only the legislation of them.

Therefore, if it is found that any federal legislation tends to establish or prohibit, the LEGISLATION is in violation of the Constitution. The free exercise of religion is NOT a violation.

Further, in the above case, the LEGISLATION becomes null and void if it results in a constitutional vilation. This means, the federal legislation that funds or regulates public schools should be null and void. BUT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION IS NOT TO BE PROHIBITED.


16 posted on 12/09/2005 12:02:46 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: JeanS
"My kids were very disappointed," Carran said. "A lot of them said, 'It's not fair; it's not fair. Why can't that parent just keep their child home that day? It's not fair that the rest of us can't go.'"

Out of the mouths of babes......

Can anyone find this principal's email address so I can let him know what I think of his decision?

17 posted on 12/09/2005 12:04:19 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: JeanS
"My feeling is that we can certainly accomplish the same goals by having a service project within an organization that doesn't have a religious affiliation, and I'm hoping that sometime in the future they'll come up with an alternative," Fried said."

Does that mean next year's trip will be to the local Planned Parenthood?
18 posted on 12/09/2005 12:05:33 PM PST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: nmh
And maybe a few more "homeless and poor" will have a nicer Christmas.

Atheists hate the poor and homeless. Or are more concerned about their perceived threat, than the people who might be helped.

Isn't the Salvation Army an arm of FEMA? Would they not want FEMA to help people during disasters?

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=6357
19 posted on 12/09/2005 12:07:19 PM PST by dhs12345 (w)
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To: Tokra

Chávez Elem. 442-2000 3502 Maple Grove Dr. (19)

Principal - Howard Fried
Andrea Kreft - Interim

Secretary - Debbie Kollberg

Best I could do.


20 posted on 12/09/2005 12:13:59 PM PST by L98Fiero
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