Missile Attack On Passenger Jet?

Radio News | November 28, 2005

[al baby]

Get them in tiajunna

[3D-JOY]

Almost 6PM and nothing new on this...

Clarification of time and date and airline seem a strange series of LACK OF FACTS...weird!

[Oorang]

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[Great Caesars Ghost]

"It was also the first time I recognized that the government will lie to us, outright, with their teeth in their mouth and their faces hanging out."

That was a bad moment for me too, but it was a better moment when I realized that even with all their resources, the government was just too freakin' inept to pull off the kinds of black helicopter fantasies that the tin-foil hat crowd were spinning constantly, at least to pull them off and get away with it on any widespread basis.

[COEXERJ145]

There is also nothing on Landings.com or Airliners.net

Or on PPrune.com, AirDisaster.com, or Jetphotos.net which leads me to believe this story is untrue. It would been out there for sure on at least one of these sites if not more.

[GoBucks2002]

When I first heard of the plane hitting the first tower, I thought it was an accident. My reasons for this were that it had rained in Ohio the day before, plus the Yanks game was rained out the night before. Without seeing the weather in New York, I jumped to the erroneous conclusion. I also thought it was a smaller plane since a commercial craft would not come close to flying low enough to hitting the WTC, even in horrible weather. Naturally, the second I turned on the TV, and saw it was a sunny day there, I knew what really happened.

[GOP_1900AD]

They would have been in violation of every rule in the book to be flying below 1000 feet any where near Manhattan. Indeed, only a complete dufus would have thought that even the first plane was not terrorism.

[Go_Raiders]

"One of our military aircraft accidentally flew into the Empire State building during WW2, killing several people."

Ummm, still not control failure.

Saturday morning, July 28th, 1945, found New York City bathed in a thick fog. Visibility on the ground was bad enough, but up in the air that morning was Lt. Colonel William Smith, piloting a B-25 bomber over the city toward Newark where he was to pick up his commanding officer. The fog he found himself in was more like soup. For reasons that have never been adequately explained, Smith wound up over Municipal Airport (which is now LaGuardia) and asked the tower for a weather report. The controller instructed Smith to land, but the pilot made a serious blunder by insisting for clearance to continue to Newark. Municipal reluctantly gave the clearance, but the controller, still hoping to convince Smith of the seriousness of the situation, tried one more time, saying these final words to Smith: "From where I'm sitting, I can't see the top of the Empire State Building."

Regulations in Manhattan require all aircraft to fly no lower than 2,000 feet. Smith committed another blunder when he dropped under 1,000 feet to get out of the thickest part of the fog and take a peek at the ground, hoping to get his bearings straight. What he found was a forest of skyscrapers, the tops of which were all around him.

Skyscrapers do not get hit by accident by aircraft in clear weather. The pilot has too much control over the variables, and the odds of a Flight 800 type explosion or midair collision resulting in an impact on a skyscraper is not much greater than a meteor strike on a skyscraper.

[GOP_1900AD]

If something was shot into the air, it would have had to be from a boat. In the good weather (westerly) take off direction from LAX there is nothing out there but water. Catalina is SW from LAX and Santa Barbara Island (a restricted Navy range) is WNW from it and further out than 15NM.

[GOP_1900AD]

But a totally illegal, tweaked Estes (with Soviet style multiple parallel motors) might be able to eke out something over 5K ...

[Go_Raiders]

"Naturally, the second I turned on the TV, and saw it was a sunny day there, I knew what really happened."

Exactly. It was the clear, sunny day that was the instant refutation of pilot error or control failure, not the second plane. Thick clouds and rain would have saved the WTC.

[oh8eleven]

Where's Pierre Salinger when you need him?
Last time I looked, Salinger and Francisco Franco were both still dead.

[Southack]

"Skyscrapers do not get hit by accident by aircraft in clear weather."

I've seen drunk pilots. I've seen pilots have a heart attack while flying. I've seen pilots suffer control loss. I've seen pilots suffer from spacial disorientation. I've seen pilots clip aircraft hangars. I've seen pilots run out of fuel. I've seen pilots stall. I've seen pilots fly straight into the ground. I've seen pilots fight each other in the cockpit (fisticuffs). I've seen pilots "show off" and wind up making a serious mistake.

The Empire State building had already been hit by accident there in NYC some half century earlier, so it wasn't until the second aircraft that it was *confirmed* that the first WTC impact was terrorism.

[Borax Queen]

oh dear, not again

[ItsForTheChildren]

Those local yocals on the radio station in the morning are a bunch of idiots! I betcha they think LAX is a laxative.

Sheesh... aggies.

[GBA]

I remember thinking after the first plane it that it was probably an accident. I mean, who would have thought those crazy bastards would fly a plane into a building?

They had always been all about hijacking and trading passengers to get some comrade released or a ransom. They did bomb airplanes they weren't on. And they'd threaten to blow things up if it didn't got their way during a hijacking, maybe even do it, but usually they'd just kill some passengers.

But fly into a building? No way. Very few people saw that coming. Not until the second plane hit did I know for sure what was going on.

[Jigsaw John]

Yep, that's basically what I said.

[nicmarlo]

The FBI/CIA/FCC/ABC channels should really thing about hiring out Baghdad Bob

[null and void]

The system developed by the FAA and industry passes compressed air through a membrane that separates nitrogen and pumps it into the tanks, preventing combustion.

*ahem* Parker Hanifin developed this system in the late 70's. The FAA was NOT interested.

[null and void]

The only reason I can come up with is they fear the backlash while at first against Bush and Homeland Security, would ultimately keep Republicans in office as no one wants a Dem during the war.

Because Bush says the reason we are in Iraq is terrorism. Since *obviously* He lied, there must be no terrorism. Recognizing any terrorist act would put the MSM in the position of validating something Dubya has been saying.

This is clearly unacceptable!