Tiny bubbles, rising seas point to warming

MSNBC News Services ^ | 25 Nove 05

[mikrofon]

Tiny bubbles,
In the brine
Makes me feel comfy,
Makes me feel fine...

[Tunehead54]

Looks like Canada should thank us for inventing the SUV! ;-) (18K years ago)

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[solitas]

MIDI

[SampleMan]

CO2 is on the rise. Has anyone examined the affect of paint ball guns? This has to be the culprit. Or maybe its the dry ice on Halloween.

If all of the enviros take a very deep breath and don't exhale, won't that put us back in balance?

[Spiff]

All sea warming, and thus global warming, is caused by both underwater volcanic activity and solar cycles. There is nothing that all of mankind can do to either warm nor cool the oceans.

[microgood]

the real kicker is that this data is scientific, pulled from ice cores in Antartica and indisputable. There is absolutely no debate that the world has experienced a cyclic thermal variation as measured in those core samples

Wrong. Any values that are assumed about the past are theoretical and can never be proven. If noone is disputing them it shows how poor that scientific field is.

Anyone saying these values are absolute should be fired if they claim to be a scientist and go into politics, their true calling.

[Paloma_55]

"Don Ho warned of this very thing many years ago.

However, he was drunk at the time..."

Which reminds me... WHY am I sitting here on the internet when I could be drinking a beer in my hottub?!?!?!?

[Paloma_55]

sure..whatever....

[SampleMan]

the real kicker is that this data is scientific, pulled from ice cores in Antartica and indisputable. There is absolutely no debate that the world has experienced a cyclic thermal variation as measured in those core samples.

I think it should be open to debate. Any scientific process that measures captured CO2 in 400,000 year old ice bubbles has more than one assumption in the process. Its not beyond the realm of possibility that some of these assumptions are less than perfect.

[GregoryFul]

It is pretty clear that earth's orbital precession drives the process. The precession changes the amount of solar radiation reaching areas that can support vegetation. The variant growth absorbs or releases carbon into the environment.

The cycle has been going on for a long time, the high latitudes of earth have been periodically covered by glaciers that recede for 11000 year interglacial periods where life flourishes. Apparently, this last interglacial period has been extended by man's activity - how great is that? Do the Canadians know that, except for the interruption of the natural cycle, perhaps by man's activity, Canada would now be covered by 1000 foot ice sheet?

[bert]

......WHY am I sitting here on the internet when I could be drinking a beer in my hottub....

Those of us with wireless networks, laptops, hot tubs and beer have it all.

[Fintan]

"MSNBC News Services" is an oxymoron.

[VadeRetro]

Wrong. Any values that are assumed about the past are theoretical and can never be proven.

You mean like two weeks ago? Or more than, say, just picking an example from out of nowhere, six thousand years ago?

We can't make inferences from data without forever tagging them with little disclaimers? "CAUTION: The statements above are based on somebody looking at hard data and trying to make sense of it."

You need to relax and stop waiting for the great collapse of science.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Greenland Ice Cap gowing thixker:

Not by Fire but by Ice
THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

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Greenland icecap growing thicker

- 20 Oct 2005 - Greenland 's ice-cap has thickened slightly in recent 
years despite wide predictions of a thaw, scientists said today. Satellite
 measurements show that more snowfall is thickening the ice-cap, 
especially at high altitudes, according to the report in the journal Science.

"The overall ice thickness changes are ... approximately plus 5 cms 
(1.9 inches) a year or 54 cms (21.26 inches) over 11 years," according
 to the experts at Norwegian, Russian and U.S. institutes led by Ola 
Johannessen at the Mohn Sverdrup center for Global Ocean Studies 
and Operational Oceanography in Norway.

The article then blathers on about how this is consistent with 
global warming.

The deception continues.  

See more of this article at
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=274166+20-Oct-2005+RTRS&srch=GREENLAND
See also: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/21/greenland.icecap.reut/index.html

See also expanding glaciers.

See also Antarctic Ice Cap Growing Thicker

(This means that more than 90 percent of the world's glaciers are growing thicker … while the media keeps yelling about the ones that are melting.)

Here's a note from Michael Jenkins, CPA:

"I flew over southeastern Greenland in August, expecting to see lots of green coastline, with all the supposed melting we read about. Instead, it looked like the dead of winter to us, with ice everywhere, filling the valleys down to the seashore. Not a speck of green visible, on a clear day.  No wonder the Vikings had to abandon their settlements."

 

 

[RobFromGa]

I guess maybe they should look back a bit further, like maybe those times before the artic ice was formed

Excellent observation.

[RobFromGa]

This graph is even more specific as to the cause of global warming:

[microgood]

You mean like two weeks ago? Or more than, say, just picking an example from out of nowhere, six thousand years ago?

We have a general idea back that far, but we have only been measuring it accurately for several hundred years.

We can't make inferences from data without forever tagging them with little disclaimers? "CAUTION: The statements above are based on somebody looking at hard data and trying to make sense of it."

I did not say that. I was responding to a post that said the temperature and C02 values from 400,000 were indisputably correct, which is BS. I do not expect a disclaimer but that was the opposite, going beyond what can rationally be asserted from the evidence.

Whenever "scientists" start using phrases like "absolute fact" or "indisputable", they are abandoning their rationality and entering a different field of endeavor, commonly known as politics.

You need to relax and stop waiting for the great collapse of science.

You are right I need to relax. And science will never collapse as long as it produces real results that help mankind.

[janetjanet998]

to qoute the author of the graph you posted

"The near-vertical red line at the far left marks the rise in atmospheric CO2 since the start of the industrial revolution."

does that look "natural" to you

[janetjanet998]

sorry, i'm conservative, once a skeptic but global warming is real and at least somewhat caused by man..and many more former doubters in the climate/weather world are coming on board also.

every industrialized country in the world is now on board and the vast majority of climate experts also now agree...the only doubters left are some in the US..the article sums it up nicley..the amounts of c02 in the atmosphere is much higher and increasing at a much faster rate then any time during the past 600,000 years(as far back as the ice core smaple goes) even well past the peak natural cycles in the past

[Jim_Curtis]

Kinda late in the year for Warmist fear mongering. They had planned ahead of time to deluge the public from Aug.1st to about the 15th starting with Clinton McCain in Alaska and a steady stream of junk science. It's like a potent fear booster shot that is supposed to keep the public believing in the myth through the cold seasons.