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The 2003 "ceremony."


1 posted on 11/24/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by lainie
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An estimated 3,000 people packed onto ferries that set out from Fisherman's Wharf for Alcatraz in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday, according to organizers.

Buncha ingrates. If it wasn't for the white man, they would've had to have crammed themselves into a dug-out tree trunk instead of a spacious ferry to get to that island.

62 posted on 11/24/2005 5:55:26 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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I am actually part Indian, more than likely Creek. Should my blood line had remain pure native American, I would have strong feeling against my white relatives. 1. I am not able to kill my neighbors for fun so I can feel better about myself. 2. If I captured one of my neighbors, I can't spend the afternoon torturing him to death. The louder I could make him scream, the better I could feel about myself. 3. If I wanted to feel stronger in the arms, I could just get one of my neighbors arms and eat it. 4. If I got tired of my parents, especially during the winter, I could just kick them out of the lodge and let them starve out in the woods. 5. If I wanted a hot date, I could just go over to my neighbors and steal one. 6. If I didn't like where I was living, I could just kill or run all my neighbors off and see how I liked living there. 7. If I was hungry and my wife hadn't got me enough food, I could just kill everything in the forest and move where there was more food. 7a. If I lived out west I could just run a herd of buffalo off of a cliff and take just what I needed for a week or two. I could just leave the rest, bears and wolves have to eat also. 8. If I wanted to take a dump, I could just walk out in the woods. That would work fine unless there was a large bear out in the woods. In that case, what was left of me might end up in the dump that the bear took in the woods a few hours later. I am sure there are so many other things I could have been doing now if the white man had not showed up. He really screw up my future.


69 posted on 11/24/2005 6:01:54 PM PST by U S Army EOD (I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
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"What we call it is Unthanksgiving," Bear Lincoln of the Wailikie Tribe told AFP as he waved burning sage to purify the area and ward off evil spirits."

Did a Google search for Wailikie Tribe--absolutely nothing. Hmmm.

On a serious note, we can learn a lot from the Indians. Whenever two cultures come into contact, the stronger one either absorbs or destroys the weaker one. In this case, the Indians lost because they were weaker.

What if we could find another continent populated by natives in modern times? Short of a complete blockade and a ban on any interaction, we'd eventually take it over. Only extreme efforts by the superior civilization could delay the inevitable. In such a case, the natives would still owe their existence to the higher civilization!

Sorry, but I have little respect for these protesters. I might understand them a bit more if they weren't driving to the protest in SUVs or flying on jets, wearing mass produced clothing, and carting around oxygen bottles for those who need medical assistance. They are absolutely, totally dependent on the very culture they condemn! Hilarious!
70 posted on 11/24/2005 6:02:07 PM PST by CitizenUSA
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They look a little cold in that picture maybe they could use some blankets.


72 posted on 11/24/2005 6:02:28 PM PST by pterional
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I don't feel the least bit sorry for our conquest of this continent. Why should I? I'm part Cherokee and part Blackfoot myself!

Mr Bear needs to lay off the guilt trip, have a big slice of pumpkin pie, and wash it down with a nice hot cup of STFU.

75 posted on 11/24/2005 6:04:22 PM PST by FierceDraka ("Out here, due process is a bullet." - John Wayne, "The Green Berets")
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It was a big mistake for us to help the Pilgrims survive that first winter. They betrayed us once they got their strength

"Us"? Your people didn't help the Pilgrims in any way shape or form. The Pilgrims were some 3,000 miles away, and likely your ancestors didn't even intereact with anyone that had even heard of them for more than a century and a half.

Aztecs are complaining about helping the Pilgrims? 500 people with slow firing weapons defeated an empire and occupied a capital city of a half-million within a few months. So few were able to do this, because the Conquistadors were an improvement, and freed the slaves your people kept and they hit the capital city with a force of as many as 4 million who wanted to rip THE Aztecs hearts out. There was no way for the Aztecs and Western Civilzation to co-exist.

Once the settlers around Jamestown figured out how to tell which indian tribes were which they eventually worked things out via Powhattan's federation (Though Powhattan's tribe itself conquered or destroyed more than 20 other tribes). There was trade and calmness. Then Powhattan died, and the replacement was rather more irritable and stupid. About three years after Powhattan's death, the indian tribes of the whole region all went out and arranged for trades and to share breakfasts, or other meetings with the various settlements. Then in an attack of astounding synchronicity, the indians all got up from what they were doing at the same time and tried to kill every European in Virginia. Indians sharing a breakfast suddenly got up and picked up shovels and farm implements to beat their hosts to death. Trading indians suddenly picked up metal axes being offered in trade, or used knives to attack the traders. All up and down the Potamac this went on. The indians only managed to kill about a third of the Europeans, and drug off remaining women and children, leaving an impression that even more had been killed. This is bound to have an effect on relations for a long time.

78 posted on 11/24/2005 6:05:59 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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Fancy that, the lack of gratitude, for pulling them out of thousands of years of animistic religious bull sperm and the predatory murderous cycle of parasitic preying on each other as animals..

Only to bring many of them into the slavery of socialism.. and brain washing many of them into animistic evolutionary scientific materialism.. or worse agnostic or even gnostic creativism.. Course some know the King of Kings, the Alpha and the Omega, the bright morning Star, and are Full of ThanksGiving, amazing..

Poor buggars, most of them..

80 posted on 11/24/2005 6:07:17 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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Cry me a river...any river.


85 posted on 11/24/2005 6:10:26 PM PST by madison10
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Was this guy's name "Chief Whiner"? If not, he should change his name.


94 posted on 11/24/2005 6:16:04 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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One little foot note often overlooked by history is the fact the Pilgrims had no choice but to get along with the Indians. They couldn't get along with any other white people.

My understanding of the first Thanksgiving of the English Speaking people was held in Plymouth, England the day after the Pilgrims left.
95 posted on 11/24/2005 6:16:41 PM PST by U S Army EOD (I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
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I strongly doubt that this is a real tribe, at least not anymore. I seem to recall that there was a similar bogus "Tribe" in California who tried to claim ownership of some land so they could build a casino or someshuch. But hey, these Wailikie (Wailikians?) got another representative from a nonexistant group-Palestinians-to join them, so I guess it worked out...


100 posted on 11/24/2005 6:20:57 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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My understanding of history is that the Native Americans are glad Columbus was looking for a way to India instead of a way to Turkey.


132 posted on 11/24/2005 6:48:07 PM PST by U S Army EOD (I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
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Correct me if I'm wrong. A culture on the brink of an Industrial Revolution, characterized by emerging nation states encounters a new land occupied by tribal hunter gatherers, little more than neoliths, and the invaders take over and displace the indigenous population. Sounds like the way of the world to me. We lifted them up, as much as they may hate to admit it.


133 posted on 11/24/2005 6:49:09 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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I guess this is going to be a 1000+ posting thread.


146 posted on 11/24/2005 7:04:39 PM PST by indcons (A Happy Thanksgiving to my FRiends and their families.)
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My brother-in-law is half Indian - he regularly goes off on rants about how the white man has screwed up this country and how much better it would have been if the indians still ruled.

Of course, he does this while cruising the Internet on his computer, talking on his cell phone and watching his satellite TV. I usually take the occasion to remind him that without the 'evil' white man's presence here, he would still be beating on rocks and sleeping in teepees. What an friggin idiot.
156 posted on 11/24/2005 7:13:10 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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ALCATRAZ ISLAND, United States (AFP) - A tribal chant rose from a thousands-strong prayer circle on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay as Native Americans held a sunrise "Unthanksgiving Day" ceremony.

"What we call it is Unthanksgiving," Bear Lincoln of the Wailikie Tribe told AFP as he waved burning sage to purify the area and ward off evil spirits.

Yes, but at least the Europeans freed the ignorant savages of their reactionary belief in the supernatural and paved the way for their ultimate liberation at the hands of European science and rationalism . . .

Oh . . . wait. That naturalism stuff is only for rednecks. The left gives everyone else a theocracy.

160 posted on 11/24/2005 7:13:52 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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"What we call it is Unthanksgiving," Bear Lincoln of the Wailikie Tribe told AFP as he waved burning sage to purify the area and ward off evil spirits. "It was the saddest day for us. It was a big mistake for us to help the Pilgrims survive that first winter. They betrayed us once they got their strength."

Okay so the ancestors of the Indians migrated from Asia many years ago and today many from Mexico and just about every country in the world migrates here.

But let a few Europeans migrate here in 1492 and it's a sad day of batrayal and evil spirits.

May the evil spirits douse the burning sage and haunt the teepee's of Alcatraz.

234 posted on 11/24/2005 8:23:15 PM PST by FreeReign
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1 Cor 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein

The land belongs to the God who created it.


238 posted on 11/24/2005 8:26:10 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister...necessitating her untimely death..-Mullet Omar)
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"I take my children to this every year because I want them to understand there is another side to the story,"

...so that I train them to always look at the past, feel that society owes them, thereby making sure that they never work to advance themselves. This is my gift to my children: that they grow up to be losers just like me!!


254 posted on 11/24/2005 8:46:39 PM PST by winner3000
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Oh Puleeezzzzzzze


261 posted on 11/24/2005 9:05:30 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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