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To: lainie
It was a big mistake for us to help the Pilgrims survive that first winter. They betrayed us once they got their strength

"Us"? Your people didn't help the Pilgrims in any way shape or form. The Pilgrims were some 3,000 miles away, and likely your ancestors didn't even intereact with anyone that had even heard of them for more than a century and a half.

Aztecs are complaining about helping the Pilgrims? 500 people with slow firing weapons defeated an empire and occupied a capital city of a half-million within a few months. So few were able to do this, because the Conquistadors were an improvement, and freed the slaves your people kept and they hit the capital city with a force of as many as 4 million who wanted to rip THE Aztecs hearts out. There was no way for the Aztecs and Western Civilzation to co-exist.

Once the settlers around Jamestown figured out how to tell which indian tribes were which they eventually worked things out via Powhattan's federation (Though Powhattan's tribe itself conquered or destroyed more than 20 other tribes). There was trade and calmness. Then Powhattan died, and the replacement was rather more irritable and stupid. About three years after Powhattan's death, the indian tribes of the whole region all went out and arranged for trades and to share breakfasts, or other meetings with the various settlements. Then in an attack of astounding synchronicity, the indians all got up from what they were doing at the same time and tried to kill every European in Virginia. Indians sharing a breakfast suddenly got up and picked up shovels and farm implements to beat their hosts to death. Trading indians suddenly picked up metal axes being offered in trade, or used knives to attack the traders. All up and down the Potamac this went on. The indians only managed to kill about a third of the Europeans, and drug off remaining women and children, leaving an impression that even more had been killed. This is bound to have an effect on relations for a long time.

78 posted on 11/24/2005 6:05:59 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton
The Conquistadores conquered Mexico City quite rapidly with the assistance of tens of thousands of warriors from tributary tribes tired of paying high taxes (and captives) to the Aztec.

The Spaniards didn't do it on their own!

91 posted on 11/24/2005 6:13:39 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: lepton
The indians only managed to kill about a third of the Europeans, and drug off remaining women and children, leaving an impression that even more had been killed. This is bound to have an effect on relations for a long time.

Indian aggression against European settlers is never discussed. Ever. I've never heard of the attack you describe.

209 posted on 11/24/2005 8:01:20 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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