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Native Americans Mourn Loss of Land With "Unthanksgiving" Rite
Netscape News via Drudge ^ | 11/24/2005 | AFP

Posted on 11/24/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by lainie

ALCATRAZ ISLAND, United States (AFP) - A tribal chant rose from a thousands-strong prayer circle on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay as Native Americans held a sunrise "Unthanksgiving Day" ceremony.

"What we call it is Unthanksgiving," Bear Lincoln of the Wailikie Tribe told AFP as he waved burning sage to purify the area and ward off evil spirits.

"It was the saddest day for us. It was a big mistake for us to help the Pilgrims survive that first winter. They betrayed us once they got their strength."

Traditional Thanksgiving feasting in the United States is a tribute to the meal the original European Pilgrims shared with the Native Americans who helped them survive in the new land.

An estimated 3,000 people packed onto ferries that set out from Fisherman's Wharf for Alcatraz in the pre-dawn darkness Thursday, according to organizers.

A bonfire blazed at the center of a prayer circle set up on a bluff beneath the Alcatraz lighthouse. And at the base of the rock wall leading up to the ruins of the former federal prison were a pair of Indian teepees.

"Ultimately, this is their land," said Irma Pinedo, a Mexico City native who was among the Aztec dancers taking part in the ceremony. "For us, no turkey today."

Turkey, which nearly became the national bird in the United States instead of the eagle, is the main course at traditional Thanksgiving dinners.

"I take my children to this every year because I want them to understand there is another side to the story," said 41-year-old Erin Alexander, who added that the event has grown significantly since she began attending 12 years ago.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanindians; amerindians; cavepeople; firewater; gobblegobble; nativeamericans; pilgrims; politicallycorrect; sf; shutupcrybabies; thanksgiving; ungrateful; unthanksgiving; welfarenation
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To: muawiyah

And they were so sophisticated that they smote the evil Spaniards back across the ocean from whence they came. You're getting revisionist garbage from left-wing profs.


161 posted on 11/24/2005 7:14:07 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: nwrep

More to the point, they arrived at copper, and no got farther. The advanced metals were not mastered, pre-contact.


162 posted on 11/24/2005 7:14:49 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

***. I seem to recall that there was a similar bogus "Tribe" in California who tried to claim ownership of some land so they could build a casino or someshuch. **

There is a group in Arkansas trying to get recognition as Cherokees so they can build a casino near Hot Springs, Ark.


163 posted on 11/24/2005 7:15:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: facedown

"This is actually pretty amusing."

It is not amusing.


164 posted on 11/24/2005 7:15:03 PM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
After the Cherokee allied themselves with the Confederacy, efforts began in Congress to take away their land. This was done relatively quickly after the end of the Civil War.

Whether or not Oklahoma has ever been "policed" is a real question, but not one to be addressed in this thread about the whack jobs in San Francisco.

165 posted on 11/24/2005 7:15:18 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: muawiyah
You are, of course, most concerned for the plight of the Cherokee slaves aren't you?

Cherokee were not the only slave owning tribe.

166 posted on 11/24/2005 7:16:32 PM PST by fso301
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To: U S Army EOD

They were paid off. Trust had nothing to do with it. Turns out, though, that the US eventually had to adopt the Brit method of buying off the tribes and gradually moving them "West".


167 posted on 11/24/2005 7:16:44 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: muawiyah
In The Journey of Man, Dr. Spencer Wells sticks to the land brige theory. The available DNA evidence supports his theory.

Additionally, if the Amerindians got here by sea-faring vessels, did they lose the technology over time? Welcome your thoughts.
168 posted on 11/24/2005 7:17:16 PM PST by indcons (A Happy Thanksgiving to my FRiends and their families.)
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To: FierceDraka

***Had some native genius invented the wheel in North America,***

They did invent the wheel but used it only on rolling toys.


169 posted on 11/24/2005 7:17:23 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: fso301

But I was a PE major in college.


170 posted on 11/24/2005 7:17:27 PM PST by U S Army EOD (I NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TAG LINE)
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To: Hank All-American
I agree. The Indians wouldn't have "lost" their land if they understood the concept of property rights to begin with. They didn't, and a paleolithic people simply weren't going to retain their hunter/gatherer nascent agrarian lifestyle in the face of societies that had engaged in global circumnavigation and could predict planetary movements with mathematical formulas

I'm confused. Is the Left for or against science, progress, and modernity? They keep switching back and forth depending on whether the holdouts are white Kansans or "indigenous pipples."

171 posted on 11/24/2005 7:21:08 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: fso301
The whole idea of the Land-Bridge came about because we had a bunch of anthropoligists who could look around, see the boats Indians were using (birch veneer/plywood - kind of high tech if you ask me), and say to themselves, "well, you couldn't take a canoe out in the Bering Strait", and, of course, you couldn't, but you also couldn't take a leather boat, or a wooden row boat out there either!

On the other hand, Eskimos didn't wait on the Land-Bridge when they decided to move into the Arctic, and the Haida in the PAC NW were building quite large seagoing vessels all along.

Thor Hyerdahl sought to dispel the primacy of the Land Bridge theory by building reed boats and balsa catamarans to cross open ocean. I would have loved to have sailed with him.

172 posted on 11/24/2005 7:21:29 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: kenth

"Any time one of these stories is posted about some Indians who subscribe to the leftist viewpoint, we have our share here who spout just as much ignorance; i.e. that all Indians are "fat, lazy" and live off of casinos, or that all were nomadic tribes."

Thank you for pointing out the ignorance.


173 posted on 11/24/2005 7:22:14 PM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Warthogtjm

"A culture on the brink of an Industrial Revolution, characterized by emerging nation states encounters a new land occupied by tribal hunter gatherers, little more than neoliths, and the invaders take over and displace the indigenous population. Sounds like the way of the world to me."

What happened to the indians was unavoidable. Does anyone seriously think that if Columbus had not discovered America, that the continent would never have been found? Do they also think that if all the pilgrims died that Europeans would not have colonized America? And that when America was colonized that disease would not have spread thought the indian population. Keepin mind that it was just as likely that Indian diseases could have wiped out Europe (as asian disease nearly did). IMO, the indians got a better deal from the americans than they would have from the english, french, spanish or any other culture. Their habit of massacring settlers for several hundred years did not make them particularly sympathetic.


174 posted on 11/24/2005 7:24:41 PM PST by BadAndy (Note to Democrats: Benedict Arnold also called himself a patriot.)
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To: lepton
That's ignorant too. The Pilgrims settled where they did because a year or two before an epidemic had completely wiped out the tribe that had lived there...except for this guy named Squanto. The land was empty and uninhabited.

I think you better reread about ol' Squanto.

175 posted on 11/24/2005 7:25:58 PM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: Warthogtjm
I'm getting my information from diaries of early Spanish missionaries and explorers.

You're still getting your information from anti-Spanish propaganda published by the English.

I've also spent more than a little time studying Spanish history from Roman times until today, and even Spanish history as reported by the ancient Greeks.

Life was tough in Europe in the 1400s ~ very tough with the Hundred Years War and all going on ~ see St. Joan of Arc ~ and your religious affiliation could mean your life.

It got worse in the 1500s (see Religious Wars, Protestant Reformation, Counter Reformation), and fell through the toilet in the 1600s (see Thirty Years War).

Gad.

176 posted on 11/24/2005 7:27:26 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: muawiyah

Thor Hyerdahl's works is under serious re-examination today. Apparently, he committed quite a bit of research fraud in order to get the results he hypothesized. I would not use Thor Hyerdahl as a credible source for the question of navigation between the Pacific islands and the Americas.


177 posted on 11/24/2005 7:27:28 PM PST by indcons (A Happy Thanksgiving to my FRiends and their families.)
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To: fso301

The post expressed concern for the Cherokee. I'm asking about their slaves? Certainly everybody should be concerned for the plight of those poor slaves.


178 posted on 11/24/2005 7:28:55 PM PST by muawiyah (u)
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To: U S Army EOD
The Aztecs did have a toy something or other that did have a small wheel. I have seen a picture of it.

I know what you are referring to. It was in a book I read about archaeology in the Americas.

The thing is, the indigenes never thought of using the wheel as a means of transport - something as simple as a rikshaw would have amazed them, much more so a horse-drawn wagon.

179 posted on 11/24/2005 7:30:15 PM PST by FierceDraka ("Out here, due process is a bullet." - John Wayne, "The Green Berets")
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To: muawiyah
"well, you couldn't take a canoe out in the Bering Strait", and, of course, you couldn't, but you also couldn't take a leather boat, or a wooden row boat out there either!

The occational Scraling showed up on the shores of Scotland or Ireland in his Leather boat.

180 posted on 11/24/2005 7:30:25 PM PST by fso301
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