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IRAQ WAR SHOWDOWN ON HILL -- PULLOUT DEBATE ON CSPAN NOW - LIVE THREAD
drudge ^ | nov. 18, 2005 | Drudge

Posted on 11/18/2005 12:30:42 PM PST by blogblogginaway

Edited on 11/18/2005 12:41:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

GOP Pulls Fast One... Tells Dems: Pull Troops Now? Okay, then let's vote!!!!! Tonight. 7 p.m. in House... Ultimate showdown...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; beltwaywarzone; calltheirbluff; crazykucinich; cutandrun; defeatocrats; delay; democratmeltdown; devolve; dirtydims; gop; gwot; hypocrats; iraq; iraqwarshowdown; murtha; murtharesolution; nomorecnnsedition; standandeliver; stoptheleft; sunshinepatriot; vietnamsymdrome; votehillaryvote; waronterror
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To: SandyInSeattle

LOL, Exactly


6,821 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:27 PM PST by MJY1288 (The main stream media has the wisdom of a new born and the vision of a still born)
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To: cwb

wow even Sanders ( the socialist independent) voted nay.


6,822 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:31 PM PST by mware (Keeper of the I's.)
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To: Tribune7

Watching Murtha, I didn't come away with the impression that he was a traitor, just that he was pathetic and senile and completely clueless as to how much harm he was causing.

Old cut and Run must remember Viet Nam??? I still wonder how in the hell we could leave and subject those people to the torture and death they have suffered. Murtha needs to shut the f up. Can't believe he served...


6,823 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:46 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: sageb1

Haven't you read the Dem Memo from Sen. Rockefeller's office:


"We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows:

"1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard.

"For example, in addition to the President's State of the Union speech, the chairman [Sen. Pat Roberts] has agreed to look at the activities of the office of the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department.

"The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and cosigns our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don't know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. [We can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.]

"2) Assiduously prepare Democratic 'additional views' to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it.

"In that regard we may have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims. We will contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry.

"The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an Independent Commission [i.e., the Corzine Amendment.]

"3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration's use of intelligence at any time. But we can only do so once.

"The best time to do so will probably be next year, either:

"A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report, thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public. Additional views on the interim report (1). The announcement of our independent investigation (2). And (3) additional views on the final investigation. Or:

"B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue, we would attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the use of intelligence.

"In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter footdragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman. We have independently submitted written requests to the DOD and we are preparing further independent requests for information.

"SUMMARY: Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet we have an important role to play in revealing the misleading, if not flagrantly dishonest, methods and motives of senior administration officials who made the case for unilateral preemptive war.

"The approach outlined above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives."


6,824 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:47 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: All

Their bluff called, the cowards slink away in disgrace to conspire fresh evil.


6,825 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:50 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Eurotwit

That statement just floors me.


6,826 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:52 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not an exit strategy." ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: Howlin

Has Murtha voted for his own resolution yet?


6,827 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:53 PM PST by Shermy
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To: FreeAtlanta

I think so. I like the FairTax. I hope this turns out to be some parlimentary thing.


6,828 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:54 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Vision

They did it in FL in '00 many, many times.....


6,829 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:58 PM PST by FlashBack (When I grow up I wanna be a coWboy.)
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To: nutmeg

Wow, that was a close vote, LOL!!!


6,830 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:03 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: TomGuy

Check c-span now. The republican yeas are gone. Now shows 0 rep. yeas


6,831 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:05 PM PST by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: Shermy

HE DID, but he didn't mean it in the way it sounds.

It was stupid, but not treasonous.

He said that the troops have become the enemy of the terrorists.

In other words, that it is BECAUSE our troops are in Iraq that they have become targets of terror.

But he ignores things like the Cole bombing.


6,832 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:08 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AliVeritas

They are not stupid? ...could have fooled me


6,833 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:11 PM PST by woofie
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To: Howlin

I think Jean got them upset... still... after this time has passed... for some reason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5401921


6,834 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:11 PM PST by AliVeritas (''I'd rather have Jihadis in front of me than Democrats behind me.'' Go GOP!)
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To: billhilly
Well, is there another explanation?

Look up in the thread. Someone said his vote was procedural so we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Frankly I'll wait until Brit tells me.

6,835 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:12 PM PST by StarFan
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To: doug from upland
A great victory for the Republicans and a great message to the troops!

The Hammer, Tom DeLay, squeezes one off right between the eyes of the democrats.


6,836 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:15 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: doug from upland

No, just the ones from Fl.


6,837 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:18 PM PST by prouddvldog
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To: ohioWfan
May God Bless and Protect our President and our Troops as they bring the fight to the enemies of Freedom....

To our Troops: You will not be forsaken...Godspeed to all of you!
6,838 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:19 PM PST by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: A CA Guy

Yeah. Glad to see it. No Republicans siding with the enemies of this nation.


6,839 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:21 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: prouddvldog

Wouldn't put it past them.. that's for sure.


6,840 posted on 11/18/2005 8:30:23 PM PST by faithincowboys
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