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The Origin of Speciousness (Darwinism is an intrinsically atheistic theory. If...)
The American Prowler ^ | 11/18/2005 | George Neumayr

Posted on 11/17/2005 11:33:50 PM PST by nickcarraway

Only a small percentage of the American people support the evolutionary claim that life arose through purely material causes. Consequently, many Darwinists, recognizing that they need to win new converts lest they completely lose control over the debate, now loudly argue that Darwin's theory harmonizes with religion. As Brown professor Kenneth Miller put it in the New York Times recently, Darwin's theory isn't "anti-God." But this PR strategy of emphasizing the compatibility of Darwinism and religion is running into a problem: Darwinism's most celebrated experts -- that is, the scientists who understand the theory most purely and deeply -- admit that it is an intrinsically atheistic theory.

Edward O. Wilson's introductions to a newly edited collection of Darwin's writings, From So Simple A Beginning, is newsworthy in this respect. Wilson argues very straightforwardly that the attempt to reconcile Darwinism with religion is "well meaning" but wrong. The theory excludes God as a cause of nature, he writes, and any "rapprochement" between science and religion is not "desirable" and not consistent with Darwin's thought.

"I think Darwin would have held the same position," Wilson writes. "The battle line is, as it has ever been, in biology. The inexorable growth of this science continues to widen, not to close, the tectonic gap between science and faith-based religion."

Buttressing his argument that Darwinism is a godless account of nature, Wilson reminds readers that Darwin rejected Christianity, and that this "shedding of blind faith gave him the intellectual fearlessness to explore human evolution wherever logic and evidence took him." (Wilson's anti-religious prejudice is so strong he doesn't even consider the possibility that love of God might inspire a scientist to study carefully and reverently God's handiwork in nature.)

Theistic evolution -- the idea that an omnipotent God could use random mutations and natural selection to produce life; in other words, create not by his intellect but by chance -- is no more meaningful of a concept than a square circle. Wilson doesn't say this but he would agree with it. Natural selection necessarily means that nothing outside of nature is necessary to explain it, he writes. "Implicit" in the concept of natural selection is the "operation of blind chance and the absence of divine purpose." Nature is self-sufficient and therefore has no need for God. He writes that "we must conclude that life has diversified on Earth autonomously without any kind of external guidance. Evolution in a pure Darwinian world has no goal or purpose: the exclusive driving force is random mutations sorted out by natural selection from one generation to the next."

The earth creates itself, according to Wilson, and man is like everything else on it -- a product of a "blind force." This means that man is no more special or purposeful than anything else. Yes, he possesses interesting "adaptive devices," which include a curious inherited tendency toward religion, but he is still an accident and an animal. This is why, writes Wilson, Darwin's theory is revolutionary: "it showed that humanity is not the center of creation, and not its purpose either."

WILSON'S COMMENTS, PRESENTED in an authoritative collection of Darwin's work, make the Darwinists hawking the theory as consistent with religion look either confused or opportunistic. They either don't understand the implications of the theory or they are willfully distorting the theory in order to gull the religious into embracing it. If they are doing the latter, they are reprising a game Darwin himself played very effectively: using the rhetoric of theism to upend theism.

Lest he lose his Victorian audience, Darwin made sure to conceal his hostility to religion in his work, and even presented On the Origin of Species as an extension of the tradition of natural theology. It wasn't until his unexpurgated autobiography came out long after his death that his view of life as godless became widely known. He reminded himself once in a note that he better "avoid stating how far I believe in materialism."

In his autobiography, he notes that he came to regard Jesus Christ's apostles as simpletons for believing in miracles. People of that time were, Darwin wrote, "ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us." And even as he unveiled a theory of nature as a blind and brutal force, he rejected Christianity as a "damnable doctrine" on the very sentimental grounds that if true it meant some of his family and friends were doomed: "I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished."

Of course, Wilson, who praises Darwin for his fearless, unflinching, hardheaded approach to thorny matters, sees no irony in Darwin's soft and emotional dismissal of Christianity as an unpleasant doctrine. (By the way, Wilson says that anybody who thinks Darwin "recanted" his view of Christianity is mistaken. "There is not a shred of evidence that he did or that he was presented with any reason to do so.")

Critics of evolution who observe that Darwin's theory is an account of nature that negates any role for God in life stand on very solid ground. They are not twisting the theory; they are stating it. Theistic evolutionists like Kenneth Miller, who has said that his Catholicism gives his Darwinism "strong propaganda value," are misrepresenting the theory for rhetorical reasons. Were they really serious about their position, they wouldn't spend their time browbeating figures like Austrian cardinal Christoph Schonborn for stating that Darwinism and religion are incompatible; they would spend their time debating fellow Darwinists on the theory's real meaning. Schonborn merely understands evolutionary theory the same way its most exalted exponents do.

IT WAS DARWINIST William Provine, not a critic of evolution, who said that Darwinism is the "greatest engine of atheism devised by man." Richard Dawkins, Thomas Henry Huxley, John Maynard Smith, and a host of other Darwinian experts, have made similar declarations of evolutionary theory's essentially atheistic character.

That evolutionists are downplaying this for PR reasons is understandable. What's not understandable is why certain religious are helping them. The modern religious who eagerly embrace random mutation and natural selection as an explanation of nature look as dim and craven as the hollowed-out Anglican ministers at Darwin's burial at Westminster Abbey.

If nature is not the work of divine intelligence but of blind chance, God does not exist. Darwinsim is a "universal acid" that burns through "just about every traditional concept," says evolutionist Daniel Dennett. This is illustrated by the increasingly wan and risible theology evolutionists within the Catholic Church are producing. Jesuit George Coyne, head of the Vatican observatory, is straining so hard to work God into his evolutionary schema that he has written that God is like a parent standing on the sidelines speaking "encouraging words" to earth. Kenneth Miller has declared, in a statement that would come as a great surprise to the doctors of the Church, that "randomness is a key feature of the mind of God."

Nietzsche wouldn't need to revise his view that "God is dead" were he to hear these descriptions of God. "Theistic evolution" is producing a theology of God as powerless and mindless, a God who is dead in man's thinking about life on earth. In separating God from nature, theistic evolutionists end up with a distorted view of both. And for what? To salvage a theory that Darwin's disciples like Edward Wilson have said is unavoidably atheistic?


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To: carumba
That's the lamest Dodge I've seen


121 posted on 11/20/2005 9:33:36 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Do you know how to use the word 'tenets'? In this case I use that term in relation to the Chicoms adopting some of the ideas & philosophy of darwinist evolutionism as a component of their agenda to eradicate religion, and ensure the victory of marxist atheism as follows

A.the basic knowledge about life
1.the origin of life
2. the rule on human evolution ie; (man descended from ape etc)
3.the universe,

I know more than you will ever give me credit for, and I wish you could address what I wrote without doing an 'IOW' on it (among many other things).

Wolf
122 posted on 11/20/2005 9:44:15 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Quark2005
I don't think it is necessary to chose between what stalin did as opposed to mao, when we have documents to what the ChiComs are doing from late 2004 .

Wolf
123 posted on 11/20/2005 9:52:45 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RunningWolf
"Do you know how to use the word 'tenets'? In this case I use that term in relation to the Chicoms adopting some of the ideas & philosophy of darwinist evolutionism as a component of their agenda to eradicate religion, and ensure the victory of marxist atheism as follows"

Evolution is agnostic as to the existence of a creator.

" A.the basic knowledge about life
1.the origin of life
2. the rule on human evolution ie; (man descended from ape etc)
3.the universe,"

The origin of life has nothing to do with evolution. How does having basic basic knowledge about *the universe* facilitate the ChiComs? Why is there a problem with it? As for point #2, universal common descent is a fact. Why would one not teach it? Why would one have to lie about it and say that it hasn't been well supported?

"I know more than you will ever give me credit for, and I wish you could address what I wrote without doing an 'IOW' on it (among many other things)."

What you haven't done is tell us what the tenets of darwinistic evolution are. 2 of the above 3 very vague points are not even about evolution. And HOW are the ChiComs using these *tenets*? The only thing you have listed is their misuse of science in general to erroneously say there is no God. Science can neither say there is or there isn't a God. It's not a scientific question. They seem to be almost as ignorant of evolution and science as you are. And scientists are not responsible for the ignorant ways that some people use their theories. That in NO way speaks to the validity of the theory as science (a subject you have willfully ignored).
124 posted on 11/20/2005 10:01:53 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RunningWolf
I don't think it is necessary to chose between what stalin did as opposed to mao, when we have documents to what the ChiComs are doing from late 2004 .

Exactly. Neither has to do with the validity of evolution as a scientific theory. Care to say something that actually pertains to this topic? Communist political tactics have nothing to do with the validity of science.

125 posted on 11/20/2005 10:09:29 AM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: nickcarraway
"The theory excludes God as a cause of nature, he writes, and any "rapprochement" between science and religion is not "desirable" and not consistent with Darwin's thought."

For what should be (but won't be) the last time, neither Darwin nor his theory discusses the causes of nature. He discusses the origin of speciation. The beginnings of life and the origin of the universe are quite outside of the Theory of Evolution. Honest people should stop conflating the two wholly different ideas. Dishonest people and fools will continue to not recognize the difference.

126 posted on 11/20/2005 10:11:26 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: mlc9852

I consider myself more of an agnostic, but one of my favorite quotes sums up why I don't believe that the Christian God is necessarily the "right" God.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Roberts


127 posted on 11/20/2005 10:16:45 AM PST by Quick1
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

google then read the sources that you choose from these searches

Results 1,820,000 for darwinism evolution

Results 107,000 for marxist atheism darwin evolution

Results 813 for darwinism evolutionism tenets

Results 349 for darwinist evolutionism tenets

Results 161 for darwinistic evolutionism tenets

I have work to do, out.

Wolf


128 posted on 11/20/2005 10:18:35 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Go to the document I put up, and you will see how they are using it. I took the text right out of their document.

Wolf
129 posted on 11/20/2005 10:21:45 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RunningWolf
A.the basic knowledge about life 1.the origin of life 2. the rule on human evolution ie; (man descended from ape etc) 3.the universe,

Congratulations, you got all three completely wrong! Bob, what do we have for our winner?

If you are truly interested in finding out what the Theory of Evolution ACTUALLY is, I suggest a good place of starting out to be here: Definition of Evolution. Here's a snippet:

"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."

- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986

130 posted on 11/20/2005 10:24:28 AM PST by Quick1
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To: RunningWolf
I already knew how to use google. I asked YOU to give me some of the tenets of evolution (you know, what the theory says scientifically). You obviously can't. Or won't; if you did try to address the science, you would actually have to back up your bluster with facts and logic. And you know you wouldn't do so well then. Any shmoo can yell, *You're a member of the Evo-Cult!*. That takes no effort, no knowledge, and no courage.
131 posted on 11/20/2005 10:25:20 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RunningWolf

*crickets chirping*

I hope the silence means you are reading my linked article.


132 posted on 11/20/2005 10:36:17 AM PST by Quick1
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To: Quick1; CarolinaGuitarman
I'm starting my quarterly shampoo of carpets, but will read your article and get back to you.

To guitarman, you know that most on all sides are guilty of the name calling.
133 posted on 11/20/2005 10:55:15 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: RunningWolf
" To guitarman, you know that most on all sides are guilty of the name calling."

Even most of the creationists will at least attempt to address the science though. I have yet to see you do so.
134 posted on 11/20/2005 10:59:21 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Tench_Coxe
The fact that Survival of the Fittest was used in Nazi political thought, however, is very topical.

And God ... ?

135 posted on 11/20/2005 11:21:27 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
"And God ... ?"
Is claimed to fight for both sides in a war. While a nice attempt to misdirect my reply, it fails.
Since we're posting links, here's a nice bit on eugenics and its origins: Eugenics . Since it is a Wikipedia link, maybe you can rush over there and change the entry in a manner similar to using the eraser on a white board. Then again, just using a search engine turns up many more links, so I suspect you'll be pretty busy.

And just in case you're interested, there is a Holocaust site that has put online Robert Jay Lifton's book 'The Nazi Doctors'. Because of copyright, I cannot post some interesting tidbits from that book ( although I do have it in hardcopy ).
The fact that the Nazi biomedical community ( and the socio-political arena ) adopted 'science' that found it's basis in Darwin is irrefutable. At least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that.

136 posted on 11/20/2005 12:56:39 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: jennyp

Darwin never meant his theory to preclude God, and specifically acknowledged God's existence in Origin of Species.
What I think is very interesting is the modern idea that if science can explain it, then God had nothing to do with it, as though God has to have waved a magic wand in order to have accomplished anything. He's not allowed to have used anything explicable.
For example, several years ago, scientists announced the discovery of a Nova at the right time and place to have been the Star of Bethlehem. The feeling was, another myth explained!!! My own thought was, how incredible that God could cause a star to go Nova at exactly the right time for its light to arrive on earth just before the birth of His Son.
I certainly hope doubters will examine the evidence before (or even after) they reject God. A couple of things worth reading are Michael Behe's "Darwin's Black Box" and Josh McDowell's "Evidence that Demands a Verdict". The former examines the theory of evolution from a biochemical standpoint in great detail. It is a great book. The latter is a classic that most people have heard of but don't read. It makes some great points.


137 posted on 11/20/2005 1:04:57 PM PST by Imnotalib
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To: Tench_Coxe
The fact that the Nazi biomedical community ( and the socio-political arena ) adopted 'science' that found it's basis in Darwin is irrefutable. At least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that.

Fine. Now will you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that the misuse of a scientific theory has no bearing whatever on its accuracy?

My point in posting the "Gott mit uns" picture is to illustrate that the Nazis used everything they could, God included.

138 posted on 11/20/2005 2:37:09 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
"Now will you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that the misuse of a scientific theory has no bearing whatever on its accuracy?"

I have stated such on another thread ( that the theory of evolution is misused). Accuracy is a different argument.

139 posted on 11/20/2005 4:46:50 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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