Posted on 11/17/2005 9:03:55 AM PST by RKV
Thanks for the exchange. I don't have anything further to add. It sounds as though we agree on some points and disagree on others.
Yes, here too. Thanx.
Travis, Actually the Moslems can and do say they once owned parts of Spain and France. So that would be a similarity rather than a difference and a case you could have used to support the thesis of the article. However, the differences I mentioned seem cumulatively more important to me.
RKV, You identified the problem that the author of the article missed. The Dim multicultural policies are the problem. You should work to over turn them so that these good conservative Catholic immigrants become true Americans and support American values. We do need to control the borders so we know who is coming in, but we don't need to close the borders.
Thanks for the post.
A recent interesting if alarming article on our demographic shift:
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_47/b3960108.htm
Good posts!
Well, to me a ] looks an awful lot like an I! Sorry for the typo!
susie
True, but Mexico knows that we have a President who refuses to enforce immigration laws, so he's giving his seal of approval for slave labor at the expense of American workers.
Don't guess you've ever heard of these folks?
AZTLAN LEADER QUOTES
"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California."
~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this."
~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.
"Mexico extends beyond its borders."
~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001
"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe."
~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998
"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' "
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.
"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.
"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group."
~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.
"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848."
~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.
"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."
~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985
Sorry, but when your only argument is throwing down the race card, you've lost.
Spain yes (Al Andalus) but not France. They were chucked out of France on their backsides by Charles Martel.
Thank you again!
At least you dropped the "we".
They are catered to, many have entitlement attitudes, which is fostered by liberals, they aren't EXPECTED to learn English, not with the all the "bilingual" programs that the NEA and other liberal establishments/unions are FORCING onto private businesses, schols and state agencies. Also, the word "racist" is screamed at Americans who don't want these people being catered to, Americans who don't want the hispanics to be given special/preferred status/treatment than is given to other new LEGAL immigrants.
Immigrants from Europe didn't EXPECT handouts as a matter of right...didn't EXPECT food stamps....didn't EXPECT FREE anything....they followed the laws for immigration, and worked for their food, legally, paid their taxes, and spent their hard-earned money in the communities where they lived, not sending out of the country, en masse, which is not putting back into their local communities which bear the burden of educating their youngsters, policing their neighborhoods, etc.
"Will someone please tell me how this invasion is good for us?" Actually, what you will get (if you can get the elites to be honest) will be more like "Relax and enjoy it because you can't win the fight." Terrible advice in any case. And we can win this one. Some very powerful and rich people won't like it, too bad for them.
Nailed it. Expectations are radically different today. The powers that be want us to lower our standards. The h3ll with that and them.
Yes, but the folks coming here are your fellow Catholics. I've never met a priest who wasn't pro-Mexican immigration. Somebody's got to fill up the pews.
BTTT
They also paid for their own medical care. I grew up in a community full of Italian and Slav legal immigrants, proud people who didn't want a cent from the government, and who became productive members of this community. They ALL learned to speak our language too, without any bilingual instruction.
The current crop of illegals are an unbelievable drain on our communities because they know our government (both parties) will force us to support them.
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