Posted on 11/17/2005 9:03:55 AM PST by RKV
Read it all Dane and you'll learn from your betters. Those who have thought things though. Despite your protestations you are always on the side of the illegal alien intruder.
Calling people concerned about mass immigration "racist" is a leftist-liberal tactic. And citing the usual blather about how Mexicans are just the new Italians and Irish is a flawed analogy on many counts. If you don't understand that, it's not worth debating with. Get your head out of the sand.
The "sanctuary city" I worry about the most is LA. The critical national infrastructure which runs through what mae be territory under insurrection is vital to our economy. The refineries and ports (LA and Long Beach) and their pipelines, road and rail links will all be in "rebel territory" if TSHTF.
My fear is that during any coming deep recession, when Americans will demand that NO jobs go to illegal aliens, the millions of illegals in LA will be unemployed, but will refuse to go home to Mexico, where the economy will be even worse. Millions of hungry illegal aliens in the LA area will have one powerful "weapon" to yield: threatening the smooth running of the refineries, pipelines, port operations, highways and railroads through "their" territory.
That is a recipe for a major explosion, especially since it will happen when the national economy is already a shambles, and we will need those refineries' output and so on.
Quisling: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.
We ought to treat illegals in the US like Mexico treats illegals in Mexico - i.e. with the military. Take a look at how they operate on their southern border. Fair is fair.
So there should be no limits at all to immigration?
I agree with your on such illegal alien terrorism during a recession. Easy to imagine
RULE NUMBER ONE for 3rd world immigrants be they illegal or illegal:
They will never go home willingly. No matter if times are good or bad. They'll lie about it to stupid liberal reporters but they will never go home. Especially now that Hispanic and other alien communities have reached critical mass. That they can disappear into.
The above applies to any dumbass guest worker program GWBush and others propose. They will have anchor babies here and never return to the 3rd world. There is nothing as permanent as a temporary guest worker. This has been proven in Europe.
If the Border Patrol had an actual fence system to guard, they could easily do their job, instead of being forced to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide open border land.
Amd we're walking right into this disaster, with our eyes open.
They work in those places as imported serf calss labor and they can sabotage them
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
Support our Minutemen Patriots!
Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!
But even larger numbers of them haven't. And if they are politically passive, why are the Dems and the GOP letting them break all sorts of laws and give them all sorts of freebies in order to get them into the tent?
I'm trying to say that we as common Americans are just as guilty for the illegal problem because we are the ones hiring them - not our government. Hopefully my point's clear now LOL.
"Not a dumb article at all. The US is absorbing immigrants faster than it can assimilate them. This is "multiculturalism" in practice, and not a good thing. "Shared sovereignty" isn't great either and it is part of Mexico's plan."
You are 100% correct...even though your post is not too "PC".
Some here on FR are really driving while blind.
As far as "shared sovereignty" is concerned, take a look at this:
See this, originally posted by "the gillman" (hope I'm not crossing the wrong line by not asking you first gillman, but more folks need to see this):
Start with this summary by Phyllis Schlafly, staunch conservative and friend to Ronald Reagan.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html
...This CFR document, called "Building a North American Community," asserts that George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin "committed their governments" to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" and assigned "working groups" to fill in the details....
This was the meeting where Bush called the Minutemen "Vigilantes."
...the CFR document calls for "a permanent tribunal for North American dispute resolution." Get ready for decisions from non-American judges who make up their rules ad hoc and probably hate the United States anyway...
Bye bye Constitution.
... The CFR document demands that we implement "the Social Security Totalization Agreement negotiated between the United States and Mexico." That's code language for putting illegal aliens into the U.S. Social Security system, which is bound to bankrupt the system...
Bye bye your retirement.
...U.S. taxpayers are supposed to create a major fund to finance 60,000 Mexican students to study in U.S. colleges...
How generous of you to support the higher education of all those foreignors. Will you have enough left over for your own children?
... The CFR document calls for allowing Mexican trucks "unlimited access" to the United States, including the hauling of local loads between U.S. cities...
Look out for that big scary truck!
Talk about drug smuggling and terrorist heaven.
... To ensure that the U.S. government carries out this plan so that it is "achievable" within five years, the CFR calls for supervision by a North American Advisory Council of "eminent persons from outside government....
See? You don't get to vote at all. You just get to pay and surrender your rights at the door.
You can see the plan here.
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102
Pay particular attention the portion on "Dissenting Views."
That's where some say they haven't sold us out enough, and the the others say they'll have trouble with, "racists, xenophobes and nationalists" who aparrently don't approve of being robbed to support the utopian dream of these traitors.
The talking points of the OBL's on this site come directly from there.
Here's Senator John Cornyn's bill to establish the first building block of this momentous betrayal.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2941:
Highlights:
SEC. 3. PURPOSES.
The purposes of the Fund shall be--
(1) to promote economic and infrastructure integration among Canada, Mexico, and the United States;
(2) to promote education and economic development in Mexico; and
(3) to reduce the wealth gap between Mexico and Canada, and between Mexico and the United States.
Reduce the wealth gap.
Pure Marxism, from your republican administration.
More:
SEC. 4. PROJECTS FUNDED.
(a) IN GENERAL- The Fund shall make grants for projects to carry out the purposes described in section 3, including projects--
(1) to construct roads in Mexico to facilitate trade between Mexico and Canada, and Mexico and the United States;
(2) to develop and implement post-secondary education programs in Mexico;
(3) to install telecommunications technologies throughout Mexico; and
(4) to construct other infrastructure that will carry out such purposes.
(Part two, there's your children's college fund, going to Mexicans.)
More:
SEC. 5. CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE FUND.
(a) IN GENERAL- The terms of the agreement establishing the Fund shall, subject to the limitation in subsection (b), require the Governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States to contribute to the Fund.
(Governments? They're talking about pillaging your paychecks!)
The terms of the agreement establishing the Fund shall require that the Fund operate for an initial period of 10 years.
By then, there will be nothing left of the Republic.
I'm trying to say that we as common Americans are just as guilty for the illegal problem because we are the ones hiring them - not our government.
Speak for yourself. I will not hire an illegal and I will not do business with those who do.
No landscaper or what have you is going to tell you they hire illegals.
I think you are referring to managing a farm. You don't need a high school course to show you how to pick apples off a tree. Some crops can be harvested with machines and some still need human workers. Some crops are more labor intensive than others - vanilla for one.
I remember reading an article about vineyard owners in California. They were saying they couldn't get enough workers, because the construction industry was paying more. They even admitted the majority of their workers were Mexicans and many were illegal. So, there's even competition for illegals.
"I think you are referring to managing a farm. You don't need a high school course to show you how to pick apples off a tree. Some crops can be harvested with machines and some still need human workers. Some crops are more labor intensive than others - vanilla for one.
"I remember reading an article about vineyard owners in California. They were saying they couldn't get enough workers, because the construction industry was paying more. They even admitted the majority of their workers were Mexicans and many were illegal. So, there's even competition for illegals."
Oh, no doubt if you're talking about stoop labor we can bring in endless hoards of cheap labor. And, as the article suggests, we can find laborers willing to work even more cheaply than the Mexicans. But what if improvements in machinery further reduces the number of farm laborers needed? What else will the fruit pickers be qualified to do? Will they go on welfare? Commit crime? Or go to a university or technical school to shift careers at taxpayer expense?
The problem is we're importing millions of poorly educated, unskilled peoples who don't have a western outlook. This is not the type of citizenry needed to continue our values and ensure our democratic way of life. I'll pay more for a head of lettuce rather than have the increase in crime, misuse of hospital emergency rooms, and welfare programs by Hispanics in my area. (Most of whom don't seem to be the least interested in assimilating.)
I've travelled in Mexico on a number of occasions, liked it and the people. I am sick of moving Mexico inside of our borders, however.
They're being forcibly shoved down our throats by our own government, and the laws force us to support them. At least 10 billion bucks every year in California alone!
Will someone please tell me how this invasion is good for us? I live in California, illegal alien heaven, and I know we're being colonized.
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