Posted on 11/10/2005 1:33:57 PM PST by conserv13
DOVER, Pa. -- Pat Robertson had a special message for residents of Dover, Pa., today after voters there elected to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial.
Robertson made the comment after Lee Webb of CBN News delivered a report on how residents in Dover voted in eight new Democratic board members, replacing all eight current members who had voted for a policy that required students in ninth-grade biology classes to hear a statement on intelligent design before hearing lessons on evolution. Webb then asked Robertson what he thought about the vote.
Here was Robertson's response.
"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there."
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And it is your opinion that man came from apes. So what? You have no proof.
And you don't believe what I believe as proof.
So we have two opinions but only one of which is allowed to be discussed in schools. That's the problem.
I don't hate Christians. I hate people who are idiots. Just because someone is a Republican or calls themselves a Christian, doesn't mean they can't act like an idiot.
Please, put away the persecution card and realize that people on this thread are attacking Pat Robertson for being a complete and utter moron, not all Christians in general.
We also cannot prove the exact force behind gravity (see the latest thread on theories of gravitational waves), yet we don't go flying off the face of the earth when we jump, do we?
Also, thanks for letting me have your vaccination shot against the avian flu when we develop one. You obviously don't believe it would ever be a threat, since it would have to - get this - evolve.
No they are CINOs!
<< And it is your opinion that man came from apes. So what? You have no proof. >>
That is inaccurate at two points:
1) I accept the scientific evidence that man IS an ape, and shares a common ancestor with other apes. That is far more than just "an opinion." It is one of the most solidly supported theories in all science.
2) As has been pointed out hundreds of times already, "proof" is not a scientific concept. Proof works with whiskey and mathematics -- not with biology. In science, the preponderance of the evidence supports common descent, and that is what is taught in biology class.
When and if another theory does a better job explaining the evidence, it will replace the theory of common descent -- just as the Copernican theory replaced Ptolemaism. Until some other theory even gets within a parsec of doing so concerning evolution, it has no place in science class.
And religious myths have no place there at all -- from any religion -- unless you are saying you believe that ALL the religious creation stories should be included as valid alternatives. Is that what you are advocating? RIIIIGGGGHHHHT! Hahaha!
<< So we have two opinions but only one of which is allowed to be discussed in schools. That's the problem. >>
False. We have hundreds of opinions -- but only one of them is based on the overwhelming preponderance of scientific evidence -- and that is why it is the one taught in science class. The other opinions can be allowed in other classes -- history, comparative religion, philosophy, sociology, literature, etc.
But science class is for scientific theories and facts -- not religious beliefs. That is neither pro-God nor anti-God. And -- all this has nothing to do with whether or not one "rejects" or "accepts" the idea of God creating the world. Evolution and common descent have nothing to say about that. Many who accept them are atheists, of course -- but many are not.
But -- I am perfectly willing to allow ID in science class, as long as it's MY ID theory [pastafarianism], and not yours. Mine has "proof," you know -- it's just that you won't accept it. And if you exclude mine, as you say, "that's the problem."
Or are you saying you are willing to allow ALL creation stories as equally valid in science class? Why should we include YOURS and not all the others? And what about all the alternative "theories" about gravity, electromagnetism, cosmology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, geology, etc.?
I ask again -- do you accept Copernicanism, as modified by Kepler, Newton, etc.? Or do you stand with Luther and Calvin on the immovability of the Earth? If you do not stand on the plain statements of the Bible in this regard -- are you not "rejecting God" and not allowing the alternative "theory?"
"Liars for the Lord," of course, say that ID/creationism has nothing to do with religion. What do you say?
What makes you say that?
<< No they are CINOs! >>
Hahahaha! No true Scotsman!
I think he spent too much time underwater in the baptismal font.
Well then don't get all worked up if men acted like apes. The behavior in France is 'normal' because we are just animals.
Well, which is it, Pat? Are you lying when you intimate that the motives for wanting to get ID introduced into the classroom IS religiously motivated, or were the Dover School board members lying when they claimed they never used words like "Creationism" while discussing the topic?
Who's the liar? Pat, or the the ousted school board?
There ya go -- three of the most religious, conservative states in the country. And I betcha dollars to doughnuts that they will all see many destructive tornados next year. Yep. God will be trying to get our attention -- right?
Game. Set. Match.
Gravity can be observed real time.
Are you saying we can't CREATE viruses in the lab? If we can do it, can't God create as well?
That's right. You don't believe in God. That's your choice.
<< Well then don't get all worked up if men acted like apes. The behavior in France is 'normal' because we are just animals. >>
That is pure stupidity. We do have many behaviors in common with the other apes -- and we have many differences. I am very grateful for both -- and worried about both. Hahaha!
Of course -- those that are acting so "bestial" today are not "evilutionists," are they? They are among the most religious people around -- and probably 100% of them are creationists!
So -- to apply your logic -- since they are all creationists and all religiously motivated -- that proves we should not allow religious teaching anywhere! Look what it leads to.
Zounds. The logic of creationism is something to behold!
Will somebody throw a net over him and take him away, already?
It wouldn't be very difficult -- just say "Allah" instead of "God" and his pronouncements sound just like a Wahabiwacko rant.
I must disagree with Pat Robertson's imprecatory statements about Dover, PA. Intelligent Design accepts Evolution as a fact. It just claims that somewhere, sometime some intelligent designer (Spock, Frank Lloyd Wright, Mork from Ork, Walt Disney, etc.) tweaked the process. Why would God judge advocates of one of these positions more than the other?
Partly correct though: ID has nothing to do.
Amazing to read the replies on this thread. Pat is telling the truth. There is actually scriptural precedent for his remark(indirectly)....Jesus told the disciples to wipe the dust from their shoes when they left a town that rejected the Gospel. I think when a person or society (and here is the key) OPENLY WITH FORETHOUGHT AND DELIBERATE ACTION reject God, then I think it very possible that God removes any hand of protection on them.
More and more, Americans just do not want to hear anything about God's RIGHTEOUSNESS or His JUSTICE, or (God forbid) His WRATH. The God of the Christians is indeed a loving and forgiving God. But He is by His very nature a God of justice, and that means He WILL JUDGE SIN.
I'm not one of Pat Robertson's cheerleaders by any stretch of the imagination. But, I get sick of everyone jumping his case every time he says something. AMAZING THAT WE NEVER HEARD THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA CONDEMN GOOD OLE LOUIS FARAKHAN RECENTLY WHEN HE SAID HE HAD BEEN BEAMED UP INTO A UFO.
God help us.
If their notion of how to impose "punishment" was to go out and kill 2800+ random bystanders, I'd call the authorities and have them locked up in a loonie bin.
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