Posted on 11/09/2005 8:46:21 AM PST by Sabramerican
Is Paris learning?
By Cal Thomas
Nov 9, 2005
Observing the riots in the suburbs of Paris, an American is tempted to rejoice. Are not the French getting their just desserts for their arrogance, opposition and condescension toward the United States and for their observation that the predominantly poor victims of Hurricane Katrina revealed an ugly underside of America that they happily condemned?
Unfortunately, laughing at the French dilemma is a luxury we can only briefly afford, because what is happening in France among many of their Muslim immigrants is the immediate future for all of Europe and a probable future for the United States, if the West does not immediately and effectively confront this spreading threat.
France thought it could import millions of people who do not share its tolerant and laissez-faire philosophy and not pay a price. The Muslim population in France is now estimated at about 5 million (compared to a total French population of about 60 million).
This is only an estimate, because French law forbids census questions related to one's religion. It is believed that there could be as many as 8 million Muslims in France. This compares to estimates between 12 to 20 million in all of the European Union.
High fertility rates among France's Muslim population, coupled with low fertility rates among the native-born French (the government is offering cash incentives to middle-class French women to have more babies), and increasing Muslim immigration from North Africa, contribute to the undermining of French culture and social and political stability.
Anti-Semitism has been on the rise in France for years, as incidents ranging from graffiti to violence against Jews become almost daily occurrences.
France is experiencing what other Western nations are, or will soon, experience: millions of Muslim youth who identify with the larger and borderless "Muslim World" and less, or not at all, with their host countries. Mosques erected in these countries are growing as rapidly as Starbucks or McDonald's franchises. The same is true in the United States. According to the Hartford Institute for Religion Research's recent Faith Communities Today study, the total number of mosques in the United States increased 42 percent between 1990 and 2000, second only to the growth of Christian "mega churches." Many of these mosques are built with the help of Saudi Arabia, which adheres to the Wahhabi sect of Islam, the religion's most puritanical and violent wing. In some cases, the mosques are connected to schools that teach separation from American values and hatred of Jews and Christians.
France will be America's future, if we don't stop denying that this invasion is deliberate and purposeful. If we don't end the proliferation of radical Muslims, it would not be out of the question to predict a terrorist plot to blow up American cities, if the U.S. government fails to bow to fanatical demands to abandon Israel. What would the government do if weapons of mass destruction were placed in our cities and it was announced that unless Washington met their demands, millions of Americans would be annihilated? Before you start accusing me of bigotry, on what basis - other than your wishful thinking and refusal to confront this threat - do you base your position?
This is not going to be pleasant for countries and cultures that have believed in the "melting pot," but radical surgery on a growing cancer is what is needed when early warning signs have been ignored. France must deport the most dangerous and violent radicals whose goal is to turn the country into an Islamic state dominated by Sharia law. The message should be: if you engage in or promote violence, you're gone from the country.
In the United States, a concerted effort is being made to convert more of us to Islam, especially in prisons. According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, in September 2003, some 5.5 percent of the federal inmate population (172,785 on Oct. 6, 2003) were some form of Muslim. Why shouldn't we fight back by reaching out to them with our religious and political doctrines? I know Muslims who have been converted and now live peaceful and productive lives among us. We shouldn't passively allow them to proceed with their conversion agenda with no response. Let's peacefully and lovingly share our far better religious and cultural message with them.
France has reached its limit. It must not allow more immigrants of the type who are rioting in the country and it must deport the troublemakers within its borders. There is no other way. Have the French learned their lesson? Will the United States learn from France?
If you don't believe it, then read this: (Can't be posted)
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1229979&C=america
The fight in the US future will involve the Muzies and the Hispanics...
Learning? No, it's burning :-D
The French have listened to Phil Ochs:
For I flew the final mission in the Japanese sky
Set off the mighty mushroom roar
When I saw the cities burning I knew that I was learning
That I ain't marchin' anymore
LIBS: "How dare you! Don't you believe in the separation of Church and State? (except for lib pols in black churches, respect for muslims, forced atheism, etc...)"
It's not about them learning. It's about us learning.
The article makes a simplistic and impossible suggestion: "Deport them".
How, precisely, does a nation deport its own citizens?
The article refers to "immigrants".
The rioting Beur are not immigrants. Their grandparents were immigrants. They are French, and they have no other nationality. Most of them speak and write only French.
They cannot be simply deported. Deported to WHERE?
Americans have a problem with violence in the black inner cities. The murder rates among blacks are so high as to constitute one of the top ten causes of death for young black American men. Surely America could reduce its crime by simply deporting the blacks. But how is that to be accomplished? How does a country just up and deport its own birth-right citizens? Whither does it deport them?
That same key on the piano has been pounded mercilessly for two weeks, but it's still flat. A country CAN'T deport it's own birth citizens. There is no law by which to do that, and no place to which to send them.
America is stuck with the urban blacks in the projects and cannot just "get rid of them" by putting them on a plane and dumping them somewhere in some foreign country. Because they're Americans, not immigrants. France is stuck with the banlieu beurs in the HLM and cannot just "get rid of them" by putting them on a plane and dumping them somewhere in some foreign country. Because they're French, not immigrants.
It's the same problem.
You can't deport your own birth citizens.
You have to integrate them, somehow.
Unfortunately, they are mostly 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants. IOW, they are Frenchmen!
The pathetic voters of California can't even pass the simplest, common sense ballot measures to put some minimal fixes in place.
With regard to the Islamic threat I feel like we are watching two trains heading for a collision and not able to do anything about it.
How do you think you are going to integrate them? They have only contempt and antipathy for you 'white' Frenchmen.
Next, how do you "somehow integrate" second, third generation natives that don't want to be integrated?
Agreed, however, I would not agree with the analogy to America's urban blacks. Save for getting them off the liberal plantation, they are not the same issue and to contend otherwise is false racism. The issue is culture and religion. France is thus in a world of hurt as the Islamists will not change or accept any but their own. If they continue to appease, France is toast....
“Never greet the Christian or Jew first. Never congratulate the infidel on his holiday. Never befriend an infidel unless it is to convert him. Never imitate the infidel. Never work for an infidel...”
Oops, I guess giving the muslim rioters in France jobs won't solve the problem.
Read the link I provided.
We need to know why these immigrants and their decedents are a danger.
The indoctrination can and should be stopped. Then you worry about assimilation.
Who funds the indoctrination? Our friends the Saudis- protected by OUR State Dept.
Thanks for pointing out that significant fact. Cal Thomas is usually smarter than he appears here about what the French can do. He is right when he says we have this problem too, just not yet to the same degree.
The most important difference between France's transplanted North Africans and America's blacks is that we all accept the fact that US blacks are Americans (including our black people), unlike the rioting "Frenchmen" who will never be French.
I think we need someone to officially define a 'radical' muzlim...Apparently burning up my vehicle doesn't qualify one as a radical...Apparently you have to kill a Jew or Christian to qualify...
The French elites have a lot in common with those here. Both really believe the concept of the nation-state, defined by common values, language, history, traditions, and yes, blood, is passe. They thought the immigrant hordes would work for them cheaply and docilely forever and that they themselves would be safe in their gated communities.
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