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French youths riot again (Paris/France Riots Live Thread Night #13)
Reuters ^ | November 8, 2005 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 11/08/2005 3:10:54 AM PST by Dane

French youths riot again Tue Nov 8, 2005 10:16 AM GMT

Villepin announces curfews French officials, community leaders

By Tom Heneghan

PARIS (Reuters) - Youths rioted across France overnight, torching more than 1,000 vehicles, despite government plans to impose curfews to quell almost two weeks of unrest.

The protests, blamed on racism and unemployment, receded in the Paris region after shots were fired at police the previous night but continued unabated in other parts of France in the early hours of Tuesday, the Interior Ministry said.

Other countries watched nervously and some issued travel warnings. Five cars were torched overnight in Brussels, in addition to five set ablaze on Sunday, in what officials say might have been copycat attacks.

The renewed violence followed a warning by Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin that he would take a firm line against lawbreakers, including reinforcements for police and curfews, not seen in France since the Algerian war of 1954-1962.

Villepin's cabinet met on Tuesday and approved the steps.

"Wherever it is necessary, prefects will be able to impose a curfew," Villepin said, referring to the senior officials responsible for security in departments around the country.

A town east of Paris imposed its own curfew on minors on Monday evening and another to the west of the capital organised citizens' patrols to help the police.

Villepin said 1,500 police and gendarmes would be brought in to back up the 8,000 officers already deployed in areas hit by unrest. He also promised to accelerate urban renewal programmes and outlined other plans to help young people in poor suburbs.

MIXED REACTION TO VILLEPIN PLANS

Mayors of riot-hit towns welcomed the tougher line, but some asked what another measure announced by Villepin -- extended powers for them -- would actually mean in practice.

"Every time they announce more powers for mayors, they cut the funds," complained Jean-Christophe Lagarde, mayor of the northeastern Paris suburb of Drancy.

Elisabeth Guigou, a Socialist deputy from the northeastern Paris suburbs, said that invoking a curfew law passed during the Algerian war was "not the best reference" for fighting unrest among youths mostly of North African Arab and African origin.

The left-wing daily Liberation recalled in an editorial that Jacques Chirac was elected president in 1995 after pledging to repair France's "social fracture".

"Chirac's reign is a tragic farce," it wrote.

The opposition Socialists said Villepin had not done enough to give hope to those people in areas hit by the unrest, which has involved poor whites as well as French-born citizens of Arab or African origin complaining of racism and unemployment.

"Beyond the necessary calls for order, what was missing in the prime minister's address was a social dimension, a message and precise commitments towards the people of these areas in difficulty," the Socialist Party said in a statement.

ANOTHER NIGHT OF VIOLENCE

France's conservative government has struggled to formulate a response that could halt the unrest, blamed by many youths on frustration over unemployment, harsh treatment by police and racism.

The violence has prompted warnings that the unrest could damage investment and tourism in France.

The Interior Ministry said 1,173 vehicles had been torched during the night, compared to 1,408 the previous night.

At least four police were hurt, compared with 36 on Sunday night. Some 330 rioters were detained.

In Toulouse, youths set fire to a bus and 21 cars, police said. At least two cars were set ablaze near Lille and two more in Strasbourg, Reuters reporters said.

Police said 14 cars were set alight in the Yvelines district west of Paris and 17 in Seine-Saint-Denis north of the capital, home to many Arab and African immigrants where the unrest began.

Officials in neighbouring Belgium played down the extent of the violence there, although there were also minor incidents of arson in Sint Niklaas in the north and Liege in the east.

"There were no riots. These were all very isolated incidents. Whoever set fire to the cars must have been influenced by the footage of what is going on in France," Brussels fire department spokesman Francis Boileau said.

(Additional reporting by Eric Faye in Paris)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crueligans; france; frenchifada; insurgency; intifada; jihad; parisriota; parisriots; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising; youths
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To: mohresearcher

The Turkish prime minister must be wetting his pantss There goes Turky's chance for getting into the EU.


141 posted on 11/08/2005 5:41:34 AM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: Publius6961
Bump back to you..everyone should know what these Rats are up to and what we are against..we need to keep the public informed about these Monsters..
143 posted on 11/08/2005 5:45:38 AM PST by Beth528
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To: oldironsides

"Maybe a travel warning to Philadelphia would be in order?"

Except in Philly your life is not in danger taking the shuttle bus or train from the airport to downtown. If I had children studying in Paris they would be on the next plane home.


144 posted on 11/08/2005 5:46:40 AM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: Alia

The rioters are shouting "Allah Akbar!" But of course, the muzzie enabling media refuse to report it. The liberals sympathize with the islam death cult.


145 posted on 11/08/2005 5:47:41 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: GBoettner
Remember, "A good Muslim is a dead Muslim"

Remember silly...They are "youths" not muslims.
146 posted on 11/08/2005 5:47:52 AM PST by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: GBoettner
Flamethrowers are better. Hose 'em down with cold fuel, turn on the pilot lights, and politely ask them to go home.

Its even better if you mix in stink and indelible dyes. Then you can pick up rioters and curfew violators later.
147 posted on 11/08/2005 5:50:43 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Not sure about your theory, but I'm positive you're using a giant font to make it look like you have something important to say.


148 posted on 11/08/2005 5:51:31 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: TonyRo76
Yikes...some of those French cheeses probably smell worse than sweaty socks when they burn.

I hear that burning Frenchmen smell like victory... to Islamo-nazi's.

149 posted on 11/08/2005 5:51:35 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: mohresearcher
This situation in France is a preview of coming attractions to the USA if Hillary is elected President.

Are you kidding, it would give Hillary an orgasm to be president, to declare nationwide martial law, and be able thereafter to rule by decree.

She would have no trepidation whatsoever about imposing the most draconian heavy-handed solution to any problem. She would love it!

150 posted on 11/08/2005 5:55:58 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: TaxRelief
Get ready for more Islamic temper tantrums. By forcing Israel to give up the Gaza Strip we just taught every Muslim on the planet that he can get free land and money if he throws a big enough tantrum.

If the French give even a box of tissues to these muslims they will be giving for the rest of eternity, and they will be having these riots every time the Muslims decide they aren't satisfied.

We should all know by now that the satisfied muslim is an animal that will never exist.
151 posted on 11/08/2005 5:56:14 AM PST by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: PoplarBluffian
He's going to give them jobs.

Ought to be interesting.

IOW, increase the welfare payments. If there were jobs, they wouldn't be working anyway.

152 posted on 11/08/2005 5:58:17 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Dane

FNC now has the header up: "MUSLIM RIOTS"

I wonder how long it will be before someone calls them racist.


153 posted on 11/08/2005 6:03:20 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: oldironsides
There were 4 shootings in Camden and Philadelphia yesterday.
IFrance has rioting teens burning vehicles and businesses. Maybe a travel warning to Philadelphia would be in order? America had 16,000 murders in one year.
America seem to be more dangerous than France or Baghdad.
..........................................
Yep all those White kids shooting up the neighborhood out on city line ave. and the Burbs..
America has 16,000 murders committed by Illegals, and those who choose to not integrate but view themselves as held down and preyed upon by society-who speak "ethnic " English and glorify the thug and drug pusher...typical post from you missing what is obvious to be an American you must have American values. The left has seen to it that the Values of our country are not passed on in Schools and are mostly attacked as racist and exploitive of the poor of the world. Welcome to the world liberalism has created both HERE and in EU.
154 posted on 11/08/2005 6:04:41 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Dane
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155 posted on 11/08/2005 6:08:33 AM PST by USAConstitution
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To: OldFriend

Awesome. I was at the polls at 6:00 a.m. and there was already a line. Thanks for that encouraging update.


156 posted on 11/08/2005 6:12:34 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: All
America had better wake up and realize what we've allowed to happen here regarding illegal immigration, before we start seeing the same thing as France(see in bold below). - OB1

French Youths Say They're Marginalized
Nov 07 3:01 PM US/Eastern
By JAMEY KEATEN
Associated Press Writer

LE BLANC MESNIL, France

Theirs is a drab life of days spent smoking hashish, hanging out on street corners. They fidget and talk big. The only things they have in abundance are time and rancor. Ask what their dreams are, the response is blank stares.

Shouting over each other to be heard, the young toughs vented about their lives in Paris' suburban housing projects and the rioting setting them ablaze.

"We hate the police," cried one teenager. "It's the start of war," yelled another. "Put this in your notebook ... ," said a third, rattling off a string of obscenities about France's tough-talking interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy.

All French-born children of Arab and black African immigrants, this group of a dozen or so teens at Les Tilleuls housing project north of Paris complained of being marginalized by French society.

Years ago, France welcomed their parents as labor, often to do menial jobs most French did not want, they noted. And now, there are no jobs _ or no one willing to give them one, they said.

"This isn't good for anything," says Farid, 20, angrily shaking his French identity card. He and the others refused to give their surnames, saying they fear repercussions from police or in the community.

None of the youths said they have participated in arson attacks, but their sympathies are clearly with the rioters who have shaken France to its core in the nights of mayhem that spread across the country from tough Paris projects like Les Tilleuls.

"The 'elders' of the projects have tried to calm us down, but we don't care," said 20-year-old Karim, gesticulating wildly with his arms and then concentrating on rolling a joint.

He said the rioting has unified various housing projects that previously fought among themselves. The target of their rage is Sarkozy, who angered many in the suburbs by calling neighborhood toughs "scum."

"Before it was a gang warfare between different projects. Sarkozy's given us a common target _ the government," said Karim.

"If they fire Sarkozy, we'll head straight to the police station and pop champagne with them," said Bidou, 22, his baseball cap cocked to the side.

Before the riots, police rarely came by, and generally patrolled in cars with windows rolled up, the youths said. They have nicknames _ like "Lucky Luke" and "Cortex" _ for some officers they know.

They complained that police manhandle them during identity card checks, even claiming that some officers plant hashish on them as a pretext for arrests, and that they regularly fire off rubber pellets during sweeps.

"You wear these clothes, with this color skin and you're automatically a target for police," said Ahmed, 18, pointing to his mates in Izod polo shirts, Nike sneakers and San Antonio Spurs T-shirts.

157 posted on 11/08/2005 6:23:33 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Beth528
Another thing to take note of here is the fact that the media is constantly going on about the "youths" burning cars. They have also burned hundreds of buildings.

I think focusing on the cars is just another media attempt to make it look less serious than it really is.

I think I heard the other night that they had burned a courthouse. Burning court houses is pretty serious mojo.
158 posted on 11/08/2005 6:27:40 AM PST by russesjunjee (Shake the fog from your eyes sheople! Our country is swirling down the sewer!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
It was like pulling teeth. I think reporters there are under a lot of pressure to bury the Muslim angle.

I was just watching an interview on Fox with a reporter from Newsweek in France and it is eerie how the reporter danced all around the issue of "muslim" involvement in the riots. A pattern of denial is emerging. This all fits with what we hear from our own administration...that Islam has a heart of "benevolence and love" (eh, Condi?)

159 posted on 11/08/2005 6:33:43 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dane
""There were no riots. These were all very isolated incidents. Whoever set fire to the cars must have been influenced by the footage of what is going on in France," Brussels fire department spokesman Francis Boileau said."

Brussels fire department spokesman Francis Boileau has a cousin in the United States.

His name is Officer Barbrady. He works as Chief of Police in South Park, Colorado.

160 posted on 11/08/2005 6:40:55 AM PST by Michael Bluth
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