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France reacts to 'shockwave of riots'(Paris/France burns Live Thread Night #12)
Times of London ^ | 11/07/05 | Simon Freeman, Charles Bremner

Posted on 11/07/2005 2:44:49 AM PST by Dane

French police made 395 arrests last night as riots intensified for the 11th consecutive night, with violence and fire engulfing towns from the North to the Mediterranean.

In the impoverished suburbs and satellite towns around Paris, where the unrest began on October 27, churches, schools and warehouses were set alight. At least 1,408 vehicles were destroyed, many more than on previous nights, and the random attacks have spread into the heart of the city.

In Grigny, south of the capital, a gang of around 200 youths are reported to have lured police into a housing estate before opening fire with hunting rifles. At least 30 officers were injured, two seriously with lead pellets in the legs and neck.

Riots broke out in beacons of disaffection across the country from Lille, on the border with Belgium, to Montpellier on the Mediterranean coast. In Toulouse, police used tear gas to disperse a mob. Cars were set alight on the streets of Nantes, Orleans, Rennes and Rouen, and youths in St Etienne forced passengers off a bus before burning it. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete.

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In Strasbourg, youths stole a car and rammed it into a housing project, setting the vehicle and the building on fire. "We’ll stop when Sarkozy steps down," the defiant 17-year-old driver told an Associated Press reporter.

Police are calling for a night-time curfew in affected areas and some senior officers have demanded that troops are brought on to the streets.

Michel Gaudin, France's most senior police officer, said today: "We are witnessing a sort of shock wave that is spreading across the country."

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchifada; frenchweasels; hoodlums; insurgency; leintifada; ouihad; parisintifada; parisriots; punks; thugs; uprising; wot; yoots; youths
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To: Vicomte13
That's a real disincentive to employ! I know small business owners here who have chosen not to grow because of high unemployment tax, workers comp, etc., but my word, what a mess there!
701 posted on 11/08/2005 4:15:30 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: Torie; Vicomte13; Fred Nerks
Viacomte13 and Torie,

You say the imams are trying to calm things. Can you please provide support for this view? I've not seen any reports of the imams trying to calm things. Please provide some documentation if you would.

1) The rioters are running around shouting 'Allah Akbar'.
2) The Iranian president is encouraging the rioters.
3) These riots were planed in advance.
4) These riots are organized and spreading throughout france and to other countries.

You both believe these riots are about poverty and not about the death cult known as islam; however, my 1, 2, 3, and 4 indicate to me this has everything to do with islam.
702 posted on 11/08/2005 4:29:52 AM PST by appalachian_dweller (Get Prepared. Stay Prepared. See my FR Homepage for a list of actions and supplies.)
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To: blondee123

But haven't you heard? They are "cracking down"--with curfews (which aren't being honored). I thought a crack down involved a little more than curfews...???


703 posted on 11/08/2005 5:45:18 AM PST by sarasota
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To: All
I have an Internet friend in Germany and he says all is good there, they are just settling with their new g'ment,,lol, yeah right.

Europe is ashamed and embarrassed and in DENIAL. I still call him friend though,, just a stupid friend lol
704 posted on 11/08/2005 6:02:56 AM PST by meanie monster
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To: Dane

What's your take on the situation today?


705 posted on 11/08/2005 6:05:57 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: Chanticleer

I heard on the news during the drive in that 1170 more cars were torched last night. The economic total must really be getting up there.

If cars are 7k each avg and 10k cars have burnt thats $70 million..not even counting the buses, buildings, and tourism losses.

No to mention an unstable nuclear power.


706 posted on 11/08/2005 6:20:54 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Dane
Hunting rifles shoot pellets?

Carolyn

707 posted on 11/08/2005 6:27:40 AM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
No question. But there were, in fact, shotguns. Just that not all the leftist writers were willing to say it. I wanted to get that particular point straight, one way or the other.

You're right...that point needs to be made. I can't believe the deliberate way in which the MSM is playing down this story. Usually they hype a story like this to death. That convinces me that there's a lot more here than meets the eye so far.

708 posted on 11/08/2005 6:30:29 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Chanticleer
What's your take on the situation today?

I'm no expert but according to official statistics there were 200 less cars torched, thatn Sunday night, that still means de villepin's speech had little effect.

Another red flag is that the media is portraying the slight decrease in official # of cars burnt as the riots are over, when they are not.

Could you imagine the coverage in the US if say 200 cars were torched in riots. It would be non-stop.

709 posted on 11/08/2005 6:55:47 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: lainie

"I think the point we're trying to make is that their own intolerance and refusals to assimilate contributed to their current situations, which they're now trying to blame on others,"

How can anyone assimilate if he cannot get a job, ever?


710 posted on 11/08/2005 7:00:21 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: penelopesire

"Go ahead and try to 'understand' them. I have read enough to know what the hell is going on! This death cult will use whatever EXCUSE they need to accomplish their goals!! If you need some links to their 'fatwas' over the years to WAKE YOUR ASS UP..let me know. I will gladly provide them tomorrow. Until then..u might find more comfort for your passive submittance over at DU!! Good night."

Good morning, Penelope. I hope you had a nice sleep.
The riots are slackening and will continue to do so.
If there is any time for the Muslim extremists to try and radicalize the event by bringing out weapons and shooting the police, it will be now.


711 posted on 11/08/2005 7:02:05 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

"The word, "pellets", used following up the word, "hunting rifles", it was all an effort to confuse and throw dirt in the eyes of the reader, IMO."

Probably it was just a bad translation from a French article.
In French, the word for rifle is "fusil". And the word for shotgun is "fusil".
So, if someone was translating an article from a French source, he (or his Babblefish program) translated the pellets, but then translated "fusil" as "rifle", which is the normal translation, instead of "shotgun", which would have been idiomatic in English.


712 posted on 11/08/2005 7:07:40 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Chanticleer

Yes, it is a mess.
It is an ecto-mess, the mess-above-all-messes.
It is THE reason France cannot grow properly, and always hobbles along.
For all else flows from the vigor of an economy, and French economic vigor is not sapped by a lack of talented workers, nor by a lack of labor, nor by a lack of material resources, nor by a lack of available capital, nor, even, by excessive tax regimes and over-regulation. French taxes are not low, but they are not crushing. French regulations are not ridiculous, except in the fatal area that matters most.
France's economy cannot grow properly and provide employment because the employment law is utterly rigid, and discourages hiring. There is no way to get around it. And there is no will to change it.
You cannot assimilate anybody if he can't get a job, and people can't get jobs in France because the labor laws are insane.
And France's labor laws are MILD compared to Germany and Spain.

It is from the fatal flaws of French labor law that every other terrible problem in France flows, for it is the labor law that chokes the economy half to death.

The problem is not even vacations and benefits; although they are generous, France's economy could continue to do well if they were preserved. No, it is the inability to lay people off for economic reasons. This means that nobody hires anybody if he can at all help it. Whatever can be done by a machine in France, is done by a machine.
You cannot get people off welfare and integrated if they can't get a job. And people at the margins can't get jobs when the labor law is so punitive.


713 posted on 11/08/2005 7:14:31 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: rcrngroup
Maybe the arts, certainly decadent art.... but I would question the extent of their contribution in the other areas especially science & math (Louis Pasteur being an exception of course).

In mathematics, Descates (invented analytic geometry--it revolutionized mathematics), Fermat (greatest mathematician of the 17th C.), Pascal (many contributions, including probability), Lagrange (greatest mathematician of the 18th C.), Laplace, Monge, Fourier, Poncelet, Cauchy, Galois, Hermite, Poincare, and many more. And there are just as many names in any other discipline whose history that you might care to study.

You may disdain the French at the moment. It is a culture in decline along with all of Western Europe as it abdicates its own genius that it no longer believes in. Europe is in disintegration as it submits passively to its demanding Muslim immigrants. I find nothing to celebrate in any of this.

But neither will I let the callapse of European civilization in the present--even if self induced--obscure the great achievements of the past. Those geniuses whose names I have mentioned and many more unnamed elicite only my admiration and respect.

714 posted on 11/08/2005 7:25:39 AM PST by stripes1776
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To: blondee123
Good morning.
"You want to see riots here, just let Bush send help to France!!!!!"

So, what you are saying is that you don't mind having head chopping, car burning Islamists bent on world domination take over a large country in the heart of Europe as long as you can say "They brought it on themselves." Do I have that right?

Oh, and let's not forget the Froggie's nuclear arsenal and large nuclear power industry.

Michael Frazier
715 posted on 11/08/2005 8:03:27 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Sabramerican
"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

Ok, I've finished vomiting. Was that Bush or Rice?

716 posted on 11/08/2005 8:07:02 AM PST by montag813
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To: Vicomte13
Florida is a right-to-work state -- which means you can be fired for virtually any reason at any time unless the reason falls within the exception of federally or statutorially-protected classes (firing for reasons of race, gender, religion, etc.)

Florida takes a lot of flack for this -- no such thing as guaranteed job security here unless you work for the government or a tenured position.

I personally don't think it is such a bad thing. I'd certainly take it over France's policies any day.

717 posted on 11/08/2005 8:30:39 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: appalachian_dweller
Yeah, it's all about poverty.

There are no poor Frenchmen who are not Muslim.
There are no poor in Africa. - You can tell because there are no riots there.

There are no poor anywhere else in the EU. - You can tell because there are no riots there.

There are no poor in Russia. - You can tell because there are no riots there.

The MSM is wrong about the constant harping on the poor in this country. - You can tell because there are no riots here.

There is simply no poverty anywhere in the world, except where there is a riot.

The fact that they are 100% Muslim means nothing.
The fact that the Prez of Iran is calling for riots means nothing.
718 posted on 11/08/2005 8:33:11 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Chanticleer

Excuse me, but it means nothing of the sort.

Nothing at all. - It pertains to right of an employer to replace striking workers while they are on strike.

Notihing can be construded as to meaning a curtailment of a citizens right to sue his employer for unreasonable discharge. - It's done every day.

Even by Hooters employees.


719 posted on 11/08/2005 8:39:24 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Okay, the actual term refers to union membership.

FLORIDA

Fla. Const. Article 1, § 6

§ 6. Right to Work

The right of persons to work shall not be denied or abridged on account of membership or non-membership in any labor union or labor organization. The right of employees, by and through a labor organization, to bargain collectively shall not be denied or abridged. Public employees shall not have the right to strike. (Adopted at General Election November 5, 1968.)

Fla. Stat. Ann. § 447.17

§ 447.17 Civil remedy; injunctive relief

(1) Any person who may be denied employment or discriminated against in his employment on account of membership or nonmembership in any labor union or labor organization shall be entitled to recover from the discriminating employer, other person, firm, corporation, labor union, labor organization, or association, acting separately or in concert, in the courts of this state, such damages as he may have sustained and the costs of suit, including reasonable attorney's fees. If such employer, other person, firm, corporation, labor union, labor organization, or association acted willfully and with malice or reckless indifference to the rights of others, punitive damages may be assessed against such employer, other person, firm, corporation, labor union, labor organization, or association.

(2) Any person sustaining injury as a result of any violation or threatened violation of the provisions of this section shall be entitled to injunctive relief against any and all violators or persons threatening violation.

(3) The remedy and relief provided for by this section shall not be available to public employees as defined in part II of this chapter. (Enacted 1974; amended 1977.)

In practical terms, it means you can be fired for virtually any reason not specifically protected by law. An employer has no duty to employ. And yes, you have a right to sue an employer for unreasonable discharge. You have the right to sue anyone for virtually anything -- doesn't mean you'll prevail. You will prevail if you can prove that you were discriminated against by reason of things protected by state or federal law.

Hooters lawsuits were based on sex discrimination -- which is one of those protected classes. You can sue if you were fired for being a whistle-blower, as that is protected by law. But if your employer decides to downsize, or decides he just doesn't like you because you are tough to get along with, or he thinks you're too fat (not protected yet), he can. There is no law requiring an employer to keep an employee, unless the discharge is for specific reasons specifically prescribed by law.

720 posted on 11/08/2005 9:00:17 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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