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France reacts to 'shockwave of riots'(Paris/France burns Live Thread Night #12)
Times of London ^ | 11/07/05 | Simon Freeman, Charles Bremner

Posted on 11/07/2005 2:44:49 AM PST by Dane

French police made 395 arrests last night as riots intensified for the 11th consecutive night, with violence and fire engulfing towns from the North to the Mediterranean.

In the impoverished suburbs and satellite towns around Paris, where the unrest began on October 27, churches, schools and warehouses were set alight. At least 1,408 vehicles were destroyed, many more than on previous nights, and the random attacks have spread into the heart of the city.

In Grigny, south of the capital, a gang of around 200 youths are reported to have lured police into a housing estate before opening fire with hunting rifles. At least 30 officers were injured, two seriously with lead pellets in the legs and neck.

Riots broke out in beacons of disaffection across the country from Lille, on the border with Belgium, to Montpellier on the Mediterranean coast. In Toulouse, police used tear gas to disperse a mob. Cars were set alight on the streets of Nantes, Orleans, Rennes and Rouen, and youths in St Etienne forced passengers off a bus before burning it. Churches were set ablaze in northern Lens and southern Sete.

SNIP

In Strasbourg, youths stole a car and rammed it into a housing project, setting the vehicle and the building on fire. "We’ll stop when Sarkozy steps down," the defiant 17-year-old driver told an Associated Press reporter.

Police are calling for a night-time curfew in affected areas and some senior officers have demanded that troops are brought on to the streets.

Michel Gaudin, France's most senior police officer, said today: "We are witnessing a sort of shock wave that is spreading across the country."

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchifada; frenchweasels; hoodlums; insurgency; leintifada; ouihad; parisintifada; parisriots; punks; thugs; uprising; wot; yoots; youths
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To: Ray66

pathetic....


501 posted on 11/07/2005 5:11:16 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: Ray66
Unbelievable!

Well that worked. What message does this send for next time.....
502 posted on 11/07/2005 5:11:43 PM PST by Mazeman
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To: proud_yank

France did make a vital difference with both funds and then (near the end) forces.... but remember that it was the Royal government which was doing this to hurt their enemies the Brits, so I'm not sure how much undying gratitude the actions of a long-defunct Monarchy earns the people of France 224 years later......

I believe that France did pay for a good % of the arms and supplies used by our colonial revolutionaries, though I don't recall the figures. The most vital contribution was that the French fleet (when it finally arrived) blocked the British fleet from rescuing Cornwallis at Yorktown in 1781, so yes that was a critically important contribution that led directly to the successful end of the war for our revolutionaries.

Not that what happened 224 years ago can make up for French perfidy in recent years..... watching Jacques 'Iraq' Chirac and friends suck up to Saddam and undermine the USA has been an experience provoking intense nausea......there is no question in my mind that if France had not sought to undermine us in the past few years that a lot of things would have gone better on the ground in Iraq. Chirac helped to get a lot of wonderful US people killed by insurgents who would have been weaker and/or non-existent if there had been a united front from the UN Security Council pushing Saddam out of power and pressuring Syria and Iran to stay the hell out....


503 posted on 11/07/2005 5:11:45 PM PST by Enchante (Joe Wilson: "I don't know anything about uranium, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night!")
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To: Kristopher

Nicely done.


504 posted on 11/07/2005 5:12:10 PM PST by conservativepoet
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To: Mazeman

Same in Texas:
http://www.packing.org/state/texas/

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm

See Chapter 9, especially Sec 9, sec 32
DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON
"(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not
apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the habitation of the actor."

aka the "Make My Day" provision !


505 posted on 11/07/2005 5:12:31 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Mazeman

Ruger Mini-14? .223? 5.56mm

Sheesh!

Get the Ruger Mini-30! .308! 7.62x39

Same ammo as the SKS and AK-47....


506 posted on 11/07/2005 5:14:11 PM PST by NorthernTraveler
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To: KylaStarr

Amazing isn't it? You have to read the whole article to get that. I could have posted all of it here but wanted people to read that for affect.


507 posted on 11/07/2005 5:16:03 PM PST by Ray66
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To: Vicomte13
Quoted from the Telegraph.co.uk:

Rioting that began in Paris has spread throughout France, leading police to say the violence is "without precedent since the Second World War"

508 posted on 11/07/2005 5:16:44 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: Vicomte13
Most people are jealously protective of their property, and yet law recognizes a sharp distinction between destruction of a car, which will get you a year or two of prison, and killing a person, which will get you life in prison or, in some parts of the United States, a death sentence.

They used to hang horse thieves so it seems to me that destroying someone's car is identical to stealing or killing someone's horse. This is basicly depriving people of their means to support themselves, unless in France, it is not quite necessary to support oneself as the government might be doing the supporting. I can only project my own imagined hardship were my vehicles to be destroyed in such a random, senseless manner on the victims in France and I would advocate using any means necessary to prevent this autocide from happening. Shoot to wound, but shoot, shoot, shoot. These people are sick.

509 posted on 11/07/2005 5:17:22 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: janetjanet998

Agreed very patheitc that WHILE there is still rioting going on they have their TERMS for surrender listed.


510 posted on 11/07/2005 5:17:28 PM PST by Ray66
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To: Kristopher; Vicomte13
I don't think Vicomte13 is trying to antagonize -- he/she was trying to give a well-reasoned analysis from his/her perspective.

Although the actions are indefensible, they aren't the acts of a well-planned war, or in nearly two weeks of violence, there would be more than one dead.

That isn't to say that this has serious implications. These riots just highlight prime breeding grounds for terrorists.

511 posted on 11/07/2005 5:18:39 PM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: omega4179
Good evening.
"California? M1 Garand"

Yeah, that would work just fine, wouldn't it.

Michael Frazier
512 posted on 11/07/2005 5:19:11 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota


513 posted on 11/07/2005 5:19:17 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Mazeman

It's send a very bad message globally. Violence against the government by using "youths" to gain political demands because you can't beat down "youths" or shoot them or world public opinion will fall upon you, gives you a MAJOR political victory on the 21st century battlefield.


514 posted on 11/07/2005 5:20:48 PM PST by Ray66
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To: LikeLight

"People attend fast track trial appearances at the Bobigny courthouse, northeast of Paris, Monday, Nov. 7, 2005."

How ludicrous. It seems the West is falling--and willfully falling. The French are pathetic.


515 posted on 11/07/2005 5:21:38 PM PST by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota

Jacque Chirac = Essence of French Manhood


516 posted on 11/07/2005 5:24:36 PM PST by outofhere2
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To: Dane

This is what kissing the Koran gets you lol. The Bible tells it like it is on these people. They fight endlessly with one another and with everyone around them. So who's next? Germany? Italy? Spain? LOL. Reap it.


517 posted on 11/07/2005 5:27:16 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Chanticleer

Considering VICOMTE 13 says his family live in the suburb where the riots started he therefore should be aware of the followings.....

For over 20 years muslims in the CITES have been driving French people out by.....

1....raping young non.muslims girls.
2....attacking elderly white non muslims.
3....burning shops selling alcohol.
4....burning shops selling porks.
5....harassing jewish families.
6....attacking Police, firemen,ambulancemen, and anyone of authority.

Futhermore, the so called poor people enjoy free housing, free medical care, free schooling, and a minimum wage for not working.

The poor people in those communities, are the White non muslims who have to suffer daily threats.

you will notice.no muslims shops , bussinesses, mosques going up in flames.

Look at the way the poor YOUTHS are dressed, Gucci, Adidas, YSL, latest mobile phone.....riding latest scooters......

Yes there is poverty like eveywhere else, but only muslims seem to complain.

France has also, people from Vietnam, China, Portugal, former Yougoslavia and many more countries, only the Muslims are rioting....Strange is it not?
Kristopher.


518 posted on 11/07/2005 5:27:54 PM PST by Kristopher
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To: Ray66

I'm struck by several points in this article- but the most looming is -WHERE in the WORLD are they going to find the money to pay for all these new programs?? Isn't their economy already in desperate straits?

I confess to a good deal of ignorance about the inner working of French politics- but I well remember de Villepin from the pre-war days at the UN ..he is a weasel of the first order.


519 posted on 11/07/2005 5:29:39 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Ray66
"It's send a very bad message globally. Violence against the government by using "youths" to gain political demands because you can't beat down "youths" or shoot them or world public opinion will fall upon you, gives you a MAJOR political victory on the 21st century battlefield."

I'm a simple guy. If someone enters my home illegally or threatens my property with a Molotov cocktail, I blow them away.
I'm not worried about global, political implications.
And if I didn't own guns, my neighbor would extend me the favor.
520 posted on 11/07/2005 5:31:09 PM PST by Mazeman
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