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Europe is Burning (Euroliberal goo-goo treatment of Islam gets its reward)
Strategy Page ^ | 11/4/05

Posted on 11/04/2005 6:50:25 AM PST by pabianice

November 4, 2005: The riots by Moslems in France continues, with young Moslems in the suburbs of Paris intent on driving the police out and establishing control of their own neighborhoods. At the same time, similar riots have been taking place in Denmark. In British Moslem migrants have been fighting police, and other (non-Moslem) migrants in the streets.

While France is seven percent Moslem, only two percent of Denmark's population is. But Denmark, like the rest of Europe (which has about twenty million Moslems), suffers from the same problems as France. Many of the Moslem migrants, who began to appear in large numbers four decades ago, have not assimilated. Europe has long tolerated this, partly because of a belief in "Multiculturalism" and partly because Europe does not have a tradition of assimilation. This is in stark contrast to the United States, where the "melting pot," while often operating more like a salad bowl, still results in far less ghettoization than is found in Europe. Another advantage America has is that, in many parts of the country, there are so many migrants that "everyone is a minority." In Europe, homogeneity is preferred, and those who do not conform, are simply tolerated (and sometimes not) as "outsiders in residence." That's where the concept of "ghetto" came from in the first place. The ghetto is! quite common the world over, but much less so in America.

Normally, the outsiders are tolerated and everyone goes about their business. But today it is different. In the past, the outsiders were often foreign merchants, sailors or other visitors. They were not seen as a long term threat. But many of the current Moslem outsiders in Europe are poor, uneducated and into their religion. And they are in Europe permanently. Many of the Moslem migrants came from poor rural regions in the old country. They migrated for jobs, not to trade their cultural identity for a new one. The children, and grandchildren, of these migrants did not take full advantage of the educational opportunities in their new homelands. The locals were not very accepting either, and the migrants did not have a web of family and community contacts to help the kids get jobs. Unemployment is high. The European governments tried to paper this over with generous welfare and jobless benefits. But this just turned the government into the payroll department for the local bra! nch of al Qaeda.

After September 11, 2001, when European intelligence agencies took a real close look at their Moslem populations, they were shocked at the percentage that approved of, or supported, Islamic terrorism. It was as high as ten percent in some countries. It was higher among the young, and often unemployed, Moslem males. The riots currently underway in France, Denmark and Britain are all an extension of that. No one has a solution to the problem, except to arrest the hard cases and try to make nice to everyone else. If that doesn't work, the fires will spread.


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1 posted on 11/04/2005 6:50:25 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Ask anyone who has considered living in Switzerland.


2 posted on 11/04/2005 6:52:28 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pabianice
In British Moslem migrants have been fighting police, and other (non-Moslem) migrants in the streets.

Nope no riots in Britain.

3 posted on 11/04/2005 6:52:29 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: pabianice

ironic that they're rioting in France - one of their most staunch allies inthe west. kinda like biting the hand that feeds you.

will they get the point before they are obliterated or will we have to go in there and clean up the result of their shortsightedness?


4 posted on 11/04/2005 6:52:37 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: pabianice

whats the matter with that link?


5 posted on 11/04/2005 6:53:06 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: pabianice
Hard to admit that the Christians from the 13th and 14th Century had a better grasp of world politics and religion than does modern man.
6 posted on 11/04/2005 6:55:03 AM PST by vetvetdoug (Shiloh, Corinth, Iuka, Brices Crossroads, Harrisburg, Britton Lane, Holly Springs, Hatchie Bridge,)
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To: pabianice; All
Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
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7 posted on 11/04/2005 6:56:06 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: camle

Not really. France has been one of our closet allies in the war on terrorism. While a war of words is what we see publiclly, our two countries work closely together and share intelligence. France has doen a lot more than Britian, for example, to try and deal with their Muslim problem. I suspect that the French will begin to act.


8 posted on 11/04/2005 6:57:52 AM PST by twigs
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To: camle
re :ironic that they're rioting in France - one of their most staunch allies inthe west.

That would only make sense if you see the Islamic world as one block all working towards the same goal.

The riots in Paris are no different to the city riots that brake out in some cities in America and usually over the same reasons.

9 posted on 11/04/2005 6:58:13 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: pabianice

And if Muzlins have their way Germany is next and then Britian.

President Bush -- Call your office!


10 posted on 11/04/2005 7:03:19 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: pabianice

As Rush said in his morning update today…,they're not rioters their insurgents/ freedom fighters, fighting against the oppression of the nasty French, just like they say about us in Iraq.


11 posted on 11/04/2005 7:08:25 AM PST by 1911a1freep
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To: pabianice
These are not riots; this is an infatada.
12 posted on 11/04/2005 7:12:34 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: pabianice
No entirely true. When my grandparents came here in the '20's, they were ghettoized. I know that for a fact because I remember the neighborhood where they lived till I was in my early teens. However, they were so glad to have been given a place here that they assimilated as much has was needed. Some assimilated more and sooner than others, but all assimilated enough to work and take care of themselves...by the way, NO social legislation was in place for anyone who fell through the cracks. You would sink or swim on your own efforts and merits. They even looked down on their own who failed to take advantage of what they regarded as golden and abundant opportunities here. It worked, all moved away from their first circumstances and attained conditions much better. This in one generation or so. I think if the second world war did not intervene, many would have succeeded sooner, my father for certain. But he saw his duty and went. Also, when he returned home, and like his own father he took a job in a steel mill in the filthiest and most dangerous conditions you can think of, but he got out of where he started and so did his parents, with the help of the children. So our father took care of us and took care of his parents and siblings as well. This after playing craps with his life in Europe against the 'other' Nazis. All of civilization stares these murdering terrorists in the face as an indelible lesson and they STILL don't get it!!!
13 posted on 11/04/2005 7:18:21 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: camle
ironic that they're rioting in France - one of their most staunch allies inthe west. kinda like biting the hand that feeds you.

Ironic, but not unexpected. A pack of wolves will always determine who in the herd is weakest and attack them first, carefully avoiding anybody strong enough to resist.

The rest of the herd just mills around, grateful that they picked the other guy, and being very careful not to upset them so they take you next.

Kind of like bullies in school. They never picked a fight with the fullback or the champion wrestler. The ones they picked on were the ones that just took it meakly.

14 posted on 11/04/2005 7:18:57 AM PST by Kenton (Muslims want to play by "girls' rules")
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To: pabianice

"At the same time, similar riots have been taking place in Denmark."

Where's the news on this? I haven't heard about it yet.


15 posted on 11/04/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: twigs

Those are some pretty strong claims - please substantiate.


16 posted on 11/04/2005 7:25:56 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: tonycavanagh

Your're partly right...the Paris riots are superficially over jobs, living conditions, and what Muslims view as a lack of respect on the part of authorities, including cops. This was true in America in the '60's. But today, Muslims want the entire pie, not just a slice. Islam gives young Muslim men without jobs and education a sense of pride and superiority over others, something well worth fighting and even dying for. And Muslims are rapidly growing in numbers in France, unlike the rest of the nation. None of this was or is so in America.

Islamofascist mullahs will head for France sooner than you think, if they're not already there, and they won't bring a message of peace. Hasn't the Islamic message been loud and clear for quite a long time now? In the end they have one goal, they intend to rule the world.


17 posted on 11/04/2005 7:30:56 AM PST by hershey
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To: vetvetdoug
Hard to admit that the Christians from the 13th and 14th Century had a better grasp of world politics and religion than does modern man.

They were not hobbled by PC.

susie

18 posted on 11/04/2005 7:31:32 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracty theorist....really.)
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To: pabianice
Europe has long tolerated this, partly because of a belief in "Multiculturalism" and partly because Europe does not have a tradition of assimilation.


One of the more difficult things to do in life is to recognize a HUGE mistake, back up, try to fix it, admit that it's broke and do something different. If the failure of multiculturalism isn't patently obvious and the US continues to deny it, then frankly, we deserve what WILL happen next even more so than France does today.
19 posted on 11/04/2005 7:33:07 AM PST by mad puppy ( The Southern border needs to be a MAJOR issue in 2006 and 2008)
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To: wideawake

I've heard and read about the efforts of the French fairly regularly for the past several months--since the London train bombings. I heard it on Bill Bennet's morning radio show and I just read some of the details on another thread on FR this morning about these riots. I'll see if I can find it.


20 posted on 11/04/2005 7:35:53 AM PST by twigs
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