Posted on 11/03/2005 12:23:12 AM PST by Southack
Paris riots spread throughout north-east Posted at 8:20pm on 3 Nov 2005
Violence broke out in impoverished Paris suburbs for the seventh straight night, with rioters clashing with police and leaving a trail of torched cars and vandalised buildings.
Observers are pointing to France's failure to address deep problems of poverty and immigration, including tensions with its Muslim minority.
In Aulnay-sous-Bois in the worst-affected area of Seine-Saint-Denis, a police station was briefly besieged by gangs of youths while a gymnasium and a garage were set ablaze and a commercial centre vandalised.
A total of 40 vehicles, including two buses, were torched before midnight in nine towns in the Seine-Saint-Denis area, a high-unemployment largely-immigrant region. Police made 15 arrests.
Two primary schools were also damaged in the area northeast of the French capital.
The riots started last Thursday following the accidental electrocution of two youths, aged 15 and 17, who had scaled an electrical relay station's walls to escape a police identity check in Clichy-sous-Bois.
The firing of a police tear gas grenade against a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois during clashes on Sunday also sparked rage in the suburb's large Muslim community.
They are going to end up creating a de facto permanent Muslim-occupied zone within France - a zone where non-Muslims and law enforcement officers dare not tread - if they don't want this, they've got to fight the battle now, while the situation is not completely hopeless.”
There have been 'no go' zones in France, Belgium and Holland for years.
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NO-GO AREAS We've been hearing a lot about no-go areas in Iraq. Well, just to put the matter into perspective, here is some data on no-go areas in France. (I'm obliged to Jerry Pournelle for pointing me to this.)
NO-GO AREAS We've been hearing a lot about no-go areas in Iraq. Well, just to put the matter into perspective, here is some data on no-go areas in France. (I'm obliged to Jerry Pournelle for pointing me to this.)
In Le Figaro daily dated Feb 1, 2002, Lucienne Bui Trong, a criminologist working for the French government's Renseignements Generaux (General Intelligence — a mix of FBI and secret service), complains that the survey system she had created for accurately denumbering the Muslim no-go zones was dismantled by the government.
She wrote: 'From 106 hot points in 1991, we went to 818 sensitive areas in 1999. That's for the whole country.
These data were not politically correct.' Since she comes from a Vietnamese background, Ms. Bui Trong cannot be suspected of racism, of course, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to start this survey in the first place.
The term she uses, 'sensitive area,' is the PC euphemism for these places where anything representing a Western institution (post office truck, firemen, even mail order delivery firms, and of course cops) is routinely ambushed with Molotov cocktails, and where war weapons imported from the Muslim part of Yugoslavia are routinely found.
The number 818 is from 2002. I'd go out on a limb and venture that it hasn't decreased in two years.
Note the French govt's response to these unpleasant statistics — they stopped collecting the statistics!
http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire200409300813.asp
Sarkozy has spoken up staunchly in favor of the police, goes out to meet them on every conceivable occasion, obtained better equipment and arms for them and even persuaded them to do what once would have been unthinkable — team up with the rival paramilitary gendarmes in several areas to ensure that policing is more evenly spread across the national territory.
He has made clear that there will be no more no-go areas for the police, who will get added powers to search houses and vehicles. He has obtained funding for 6,500 new police positions, and the government is expanding its prison capacity significantly so that people who are convicted of crimes will be more likely to go to jail.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/01/06/sark_ed3_.php
Some Indochinese settled successfully in France. Not so the 5 million Muslims (about 10 per cent of France's population) who live in France after France's unsuccessful attempt at colonising parts of North Africa. Critics of multiculturalism in Australia and elsewhere would be well advised to look at the problems caused when migrant groups are not welcomed into a society. Today parts of Paris and some other major French cities are effectively no-go areas for police and security forces.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/31/1085855495277.html?from=storyrhs
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On Belgium which is even worse I fear:
The patrols, led by Abou Jahjah's right-hand man, Ahmed Azzuz, were seen as a provocation. Armed with cameras, notebooks, mobile phones and dictaphones, the patrols began shadowing Antwerp's police force to guard against allegedly racist behaviour.
The patrols meet at eight most weekday evenings on the Turnhoutse Baan, a long, drab tram-lined road that runs into the centre of Antwerp. Muscular young men, many of whom wear traditional Arab headgear, can be seen filing into an unprepossessing internet café long before then.
Outsiders aren't welcome. 'Go home before we beat your fucking white ass,' is how one group of young men greet The Observer .
Passing police cars are bombarded with a barrage of expletives and spittle. When tension was particularly acute last week anyone with a white face was singled out for abuse. White shopkeepers in this largely Moroccan district were dragged from their shops and beaten, and the area became a virtual no-go zone.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,1442,851355,00.html
I'd suggest you get used to it, as the US has the same policy.
Maybe the difference is that we still have our 2nd amendment rights and our guns. I doubt they have either in France or other EU countries. The socialist police and military are supposed to protect (?) the citizens from harm.
Heck, even in NO, the remaining citizens banded together to protect themselves from looters...at least until their guns were being confiscated by NO police.
It would be now, but Moussoui was picked up when terrorist acts were considered "criminal acts" and thus we had to worry about "tainted evidence," not intelligence information. Now we have the power (Patriot Act) to snatch the sucker and wring him out.
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It's past time to tell these Muslims to go back where they came from.
Hell?
There was plenty of evidence of a wider conspiracy...but due to the "gorelick" wall...law enforcment was forbidden from getting it...
Nothing to see here but history repeating itself, so move along people...
"From the confines of Jerusalem and the city of Constantinople a horrible tale has gone forth and very frequently has been brought to our ears: namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation, forsooth, which has neither directed its heart nor entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians and has depopulated them by sword, pillage, and fire. . . ."
---Pope Urban II, Proclamation at Clermont, 1095
French media also reported attacks on a school and a bus in northern Paris and on vehicles in two poor areas to the west of the capital. Several cars were also reported to gave been set ablaze in Dijon, the first city outside Paris to be hit.
'It escalated on Wednesday evening when police and fire crews were shot at with live ammunition on three occasions.
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Villepin indirectly blamed the riots on gangs he said terrorized residents and sought to keep police out of their neighborhoods.
"I refuse to accept that organized gangs are laying down the law in certain neighborhoods, I refuse to accept that crime networks and drug traffickers profit from this disorder, I refuse to accept that the strong intimidate the weak," he said.
"Law and order will have the last word," he told senators.
Sarkozy seconded him, saying: "There is only one political line, that set by the prime minister."
Sarkozy, accused by opponents of inflaming passions with his outspoken attacks on the "scum" behind the violence, said on Thursday that 143 people had been detained in the past week for rioting.'
That was in 2002. 6 to 7 million today.
Welcome aboard.
And counting....
Islam is already the fastest-growing religion in Europe. Driven by immigration and high birthrates, the number of Muslims on the continent has tripled in the last 30 years. Most demographers forecast a similar or even higher rate of growth in the coming decades.
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=60
Islam is the fastest growing religion and the second largest religion in the world
http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm
Sorry for the tardy response -- had arthoscopic knee surgery today and the bloody hospital kept me for close on 14 hours, at least 9 of which were spent sitting on my arse. AND -- lovely bit, this -- because I refused to stay overnight, I may have an insurance hassle coming up.
All in all, a rotten day, with the exception that my knee is (purportedly) fixed and there's no pain yet. We will see if this happy situation persists tomorrow. I've a call in to a **competent** physician whom I hope will call early tomorrow, and we can sort out whatever remaining issues there may be.
Sorry to rattle on, but I just had to vent a bit.
Best to you, as ever,
The French are so screwed...
Wow. What a quote from a Pope nearly a millenium ago.
Well, Pope Urban got it right. They are utterly alienated from God.
Their wonderful Allah seems to have been Lucifer, the Fallen Angel -- I'm convinced of that.
They follow a false god.
(Any moslem-apologists who may deem to trash me for my comment, don't bother to waste your time -- or mine.)
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