[2ndreconmarine]

Intelligent Design Theory is entirely scientific and teaching it is not in any way the establishment of a national religion.

Nonsense.

There is no science in ID. At best it might be called a hypothesis. But, there has been nothing to support it.

In an article a few threads back, the author compared the number of journal citations for ID to other areas in biology, including evolution. The score: evolution had tens of thousands, ID had none, "horse feces" had 97. The author's salient point was that ID might achieve a level of respectibility of horse feces when it too could have 97 citations.

The time frame was from the late 90s, when ID was first proposed, to the present.

The only thing ID'ers have is cheap attacks. Never any substance.

[rdb3]

The only thing ID'ers have is cheap attacks. Never any substance.

Is that a fact? Look at what you wrote in #7. Is "If they want to make their kids stupid, so be it. After all, when they grow up, my kids will need someone to wash their toilets." a statement full of substance and was not a cheap attack?

If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.

[metmom]

And where is the evidence that there is NO design to the universe? What evidence can support the idea that evolution is undirected? If there is none then it seems that evolutionists are going on faith because they believe something that cannot be supported with evidence. So why should undirected evolution be taught as a fact? I doesn't seem that there is any substance to the claim that there is no ID.

[Smokin' Joe]

It seems to me that 'journal citations' is a pretty lame way to decide whether a theory might be correct.

Prior to 1940 there were how many journal citations about plate tectonics? How many about geosynclinal theory?

Theories are theories, and exposing children to the logical processes which allow them to compare and contrast the merits and drawbacks of various explanations for percieved phenomena should be a good thing.

After all the purpose of an education should be to teach you to think, not what to think.

From there, the theory will stand or fall on its own merits.

[hawkaw]

Thank you for your post.

As a geoscientist its tough for me to read a lot of crazy comments on this board just so these people can find a way to establish their religion in a science classroom.

[Pietro]

first you said this:

"After all, when they grow up, my kids will need someone to wash their toilets."

and then you said this:

"The only thing ID'ers have is cheap attacks."

I hope you didn't shoot yourself in the foot when you were in the bush.