So, suddenly France
is competent enough to
cause a crisis in
our Presidency?!
It is a little far-fetched.
For what it's worth, this
"French Connection" is
the only French connection
I would want to make:
Posted on 10/30/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by paperjam
Okay, Freepers, I need your help here.
I think I may know what happened to get Wilson’s wife outed. For the most part I think I can prove it. I just need a little more information. The kind of stuff I can’t get to. But, I now know it all was a last ditch effort to stop the war before Saddam was captured in Iraq on 14 December, 2003
Please don’t go thinking I’m off my rocker, I don’t normally attempt investigative sourcing, but I do think there are legs under this story and they might begin here.
According to Joe Wilson's entry in the 1998 edition of Who's Who in America, wife #2 was Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi. They were married July 1, 1986 (the first marriage ended in divorce in 1986). There is no mention of Jacqueline in the later editions (although wife #1 continues to be named).
ping
I refuse to believe that the whole agency is corrupt, so there must be some people out there who are looking into this. There has to be people within the agency that are horrified by this entire thing, the leaking to the press, the whole WMD fiasco (Saddam only had WMDs when Clinton was in office and bombing Iraq, but suddenly as soon as Bush takes office they never existed?)
The only thing worse than having the CIA politicized is having it infiltrated by foreign agents pursuing their countries agenda over the wellbeing of the United States.
So, suddenly France
is competent enough to
cause a crisis in
our Presidency?!
It is a little far-fetched.
For what it's worth, this
"French Connection" is
the only French connection
I would want to make:
So, Wilson was lying in his book when he said that was part of his negative conclusion. But if that's so, it also means that the forgeries were not a set-up job done for discovery by Wilson. That undercuts your conclusion, so you need to check your timeline on this point.
Congressman Billybob
I can't explain that part yet. However, he knew about the documents when he shouldn't have. I'd love to get him under oath and ask how he knew something no one else could have possibly known.
The more I think about it, the more I think that his second wife may be playing both sides of the table. I just can't prove it because there is almost no mention of her on the web.
Maybe someone else can have better luck ferreting her out but it sure is odd that there is so little on her. Hell, I can find more information on myself than I can her and I'm just a ditto head nobody.
That's true. However, he is on the record as having said that he knew there was something wrong with the names on the documents.
How could he possibly have known something like that unless he knew in advance they were fakes?
As far as Jacqueline, she's a ghost on the web! I haven't been able to find here anywhere except in the one link I've provided above in the body of the story.
Interesting that we've been unable to even ascertain her maiden name. Jacqueline Wilson is the only name we've got.
Great observation and one I've been wrestling with. How could he have known something that no one else could have.
Either he's lying or he was in on it from the start. That's why I think this story has legs.
IMHO
What I find especially interesting about this part is that France already knew the forged documents were fake shortly after originally obtaining them in 2001 ("The gang of spendthrift bunglers, short on cash, is ready to go into action. Rocco Martino, La Signora, Zakaria Yaou Maiga. . .They wait for the embassy to close its doors for New Years 2001. They simulate a break-in and burglary. When on January 2, 2001, bright and early, the Second Secretary for Administrative Affairs Arfou Mounkaila reports the burglary to the Carabinieri of the Trionfale station, he has to admit with a grin that the burglars were half asleep. A lot of trouble and effort for nothing. Mounkaila is unable to report missing what he doesn’t know is gone: Letterhead, and official stamps. In the hands of the snake oil vendors, useful stuff with which to assemble a dodgy dossier. . .To assemble the dossier, old documents are extracted from the SISMI division’s archives where Nucera is deputy chief of section (code books), the the sheets of stolen letterhead are used to forge letters, contracts and a memorandum of understanding between the government of Niger and Iraq “concerning the supply of uranium on 5 and 6 July 2000 in Niamey”. The memorandum has a 2-page attachment entitled “Agreement”. Rocco hands over the “package” to agents from the French Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure. They hand him some banknotes which he spends in Nice. . .But it's an innocuous swindle. The French take the documents and toss them in the dumpster. One of the agents remarks, Niger is a French-speaking place and we know how things are there. But nobody would have confused one minister with another they way they did in that useless piece of garbage. Case closed, then? No! The burlesque imbroglio is transformed into a very grave matter—-along comes September 11th and Bush immediately starts to think about Iraq and requests proof of Saddam’s involvement in the attacks.": Berlusconi Behind Fake Yellowcake Dossier), but France still passed this information to the US State Department on November 22, 2002, and after that the US government did not learn until March 4, 2003--after the IAEA had already obtained the forged documents (from who?, is an interesting question to pursue)--that the French had based this assessment on the forgeries (Senate report, Sec. 2, p. 69 = pdf page 34).
I think it bears in mind that FRANCE also was first in line to make IRAQ a nuclear power.
Hence, the "benefits" of a lopsided oils contract, sort of a quid pro quo of nuclear power/weapons, and thus a payoff to the same....
Silly Frogs. Their bleak history of colonies is only overshadowed by their diplomacy.
bttt
"interesting that we've been unable to ascertain her maiden name"....see post 41.
It's in the 1998 edition of Who's Who in America. Her name was removed in the next edition, after Wilson married Plame. I tried to post the entire entry as a new thread but for some reason the posting wouldn't take.
A Google search turned up a Jacqueline Giorgi, Ed.D., apparently an educator in the Virginia public school system, but I don't know if she is the same individual who used to be Mrs. Joseph Charles Wilson IV.
Have you been able to track anything on her through the web?
just speculating....but if she's really so hard to track publically, IMHO she (Mrs. J Wilson IV wife #1 ) is more likely a CIA "asset" than Valerie Plame...and in fact is probably where the newshounds noses need to point...especially as Yellowcake Joe is pointing so hard in the opposite direction.....
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