Posted on 10/28/2005 1:53:57 PM PDT by txgirl4Bush
Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed international criticism of his call for Israel's annihilation, saying, "They [Israelis] are cheeky humans and they think that the entire world should obey them. They destroy Palestinian families and expect nobody to object to them," Ahmadinejad said, asserting his comments "are the exact words of the Iranian people".
It was the first time since early in the days of the Islamic Revolution that such a high-ranking Iranian official has openly called for the destruction of Israel.
Ahmadinejad made his comments during Iran's annual hatefest called 'Jerusalem Day.' Iran's 'Jerusalem Day' is a carnival-like event during which one can express his hatred for the Jews, burn a few flags and meet with jihadist recruiters looking for suicide bombing candidates.
Protestors in Tehran and other Iranian cities burned Israeli flags and held banners displaying anti-Israeli slogans including "Death to Israel, Death to America".
Ahmadinejad also said "anyone who signs a treaty which recognizes the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world", and warned Muslim leaders who recognize Israel that they "face the wrath of their own people".
Noted David Horovitz in the Jerusalem Post, " The man was standing at a podium bearing a large poster blaring the title of the gathering, in English: 'The world without Zionism'. He was stating, calmly and confidently, that such a world was indeed entirely within reach... This week, in the boldest language imaginable, Ahmadinejad made plain that, where Israel is concerned, a nuclear Iran under his watch would be anything but benign."
Yediot Aharonot said in an editorial; "What is worrying, other than the minor issue that one day we might all turn into dust because of a nervous Iranian missile, is that 60 years after the Holocaust a leader of a state again openly threatens to destroy the Jews."
Haaretz also heard echoes of the Holocaust in Ahmadinejad's speech, writing; "The open call to destroy the state of Israel highlights the comparison with another leader who was elected by his people in 1933 [Adolf Hitler], whose agenda included an open call to destroy the Jewish people."
Israel immediately called for an emergency session of the UN security council.
"We have decided to open a broad diplomatic offensive," said Israeli foreign minister, Silvan Shalom.
Israeli PM Ariel Sharon is also demanding that Iran to be expelled from the UN. "A country that calls for the destruction of another people cannot be a member of the UN," he said.
Kofi Annan, in what, for him, was an unusually harsh public condemnation, expressed his "dismay" yesterday at Mr Ahmadinejad's remarks and warned Tehran that all UN members had agreed to "refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity ... of any state".
One wonders. Even Israel?
Assessment:
The Russian Interfax News Agency reported today that, while the Russians condemned Ahmadinejad's comments as having 'provided added grounds for sending the dispute over Iran's nuclear program to the UN Security Council,' it plans no change in Moscow's nuclear policy vis a vis the Islamic republic.
"Our position regarding Iran has not changed," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told Interfax during a visit to Jordan.
So, in a nutshell, we have the government of Iran promising to wipe Israel from the face of the earth and the government of Russia pledging to continue its efforts to provide Tehran with the nuclear means to do so.
Although it is a mortal sin under the UN Charter for one nation to advocate the destruction of another, particularly for ethnic reasons, the most forceful adjective that Kofi Annan could come up with to describe the UN's official position was 'dismay'.
The stage is not only set, but the current situation reads like a dress rehearsal for the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophesied 'Gog-Magog' invasion of Ezekiel 38-39.
To summarize the prophecy, the prophet Ezekiel, writing during the Babylonian Captivity (606-536 BC) foretold the formation of an alliance in the 'latter years' that would launch a sneak attack/invasion of Israel.
Ezekiel identified the leader of this alliance as "Gog and Magog" whom many scholars more credentialed than I have identified as comprising modern Russia and some of the various 'Stans'.
Gog's chief lieutenant is identified as 'Persia', the traditional historical name for modern Iran. Persia is joined by Ethiopia and Libya, (modern North Africa) together with much of the Middle Eastern Muslim world.
"After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them." (Ezekiel 38:8)
The identity of the invasion target could not be more clear. 'Brought back from the sword, gathered out of many people against the mountains of Israel, which have always been waste' -- this can only refer to modern Israel. No previous historical incarnation of Israel meets Ezekiel's specifications.
Although Russia is the titular head of the invasion force, Persia is the catalyst. Ezekiel says Russia's participation is reluctant at best; Ezekiel says God will "put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth," (38:4) when " at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought." (Ezekiel 38:10)
And what is the United Nations doing during all this time?
Incredibly, Ezekiel not only identifies them as being dominated by the Western nations; "the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof" but he says their response amounts to little more than a weak diplomatic protest.
"Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" (38:13)
Russia and Persia are currently joined at the hip by their joint nuclear project, the schizophrenic nature of which puts Moscow at odds with the rest of the world.
There is little doubt that a nuclear Iran would make good on Ahmadinejad's threat with only minimal provocation. Moscow simultaneously condemns Iran for making it while supply it with the means to make the threat good.
And, while the Western world might express 'dismay' at a Moscow-led sneak invasion, it is unlikely that it will risk nuclear war with the Russians over Israel.
Washington might, but the Europeans certainly wouldn't, leaving only Israel's never-confirmed nuclear arsenal between Jerusalem and the barrier mountains separating it from the West Bank.
Ezekiel, writing from his historical vantage point two thousand years before Columbus sailed the ocean blue, gave this description of the battlefield:
"And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone." (38:22)
Now, let's leave Ezekiel aside for a moment and pretend we are prophets writing from our vantage point in history, trying to predict three years hence.
Israeli intelligence determines Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad's call for wiping Israel from the map is now a practical possibility.
Since the US is currently involved in operations with Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, it is up to Israel to take out Iran's nuclear facilities or live under the threat of instant annihilation at the whims of guys like Ahmadinejad.
With no other choice, Israel launches its strike, taking out much of Iran's nuclear infrastructure, together with the thousands of Russian contractors, scientists, security personnel and administrators stationed there.
Iran, furious at being deprived of its nuclear ambitions, turns to the wounded Russians and together, they launch a surprise retaliatory invasion of the Jewish state.
Neither Europe nor the UN are prepared to stand against nuclear Moscow, particularly in light of Russian casualties inflicted by Israel in an attack that meets the definition of an act of war under international law.
Such an attack would provide all the excuse necessary for the rest of the Arab world to declare war on Israel and join in on the invasion.
That scenario puts the invading army on the mountains of Israel. It leaves Israel with the choice between its own annihilation and use of nuclear weapons to destroy the invaders.
Sound about right?
The above scenario is not only possible, it is probable, given that Iran will not give up its nuclear ambitions and Israel can not allow Iran to achieve them.
And it is an exact match to Ezekiel's prophecy, right down to the various members of the various alliances and their various positions relative to Israel as they exist in this fifth year of the 21st century.
The only differences are that my scenario is an educated guess based on conditions as they exist today, and I could be wrong about the exact order and detail.
Ezekiel wrote from Babylon, one hundred and fifty years after the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Sargon the Assyrian and two thousand five hundred years before a sovereign nation called 'Israel' would again be numbered among the nations of the world.
"Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure." (Isaiah 46-8:10)
Ping to you and a bump for me to read later.
I think the IDF/AF practices long range low level nuke capable F-16 missions, as their last option. They have also practiced launching missiles from subs, I do believe.
This guy is Hitler with a beard.
We would end up using nuclear weapons on Iran before this were to happen...
They will also use the manpower of CHINA during this battle...
Yeckminnyjihad of Iranistan could use a short walk through a crowded mine field.
I would hazard a guess that maybe 1 or 2% of America would recognize "matches Biblical prophecy exactly" before it actually came to pass. That's sad.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a Burdensome Stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the Earth be gathered together against it.
World leaders asking Bush to divide Jerusalem
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And neither is the Wrath of God limited here.
...I make Jerusalem a Burdensome Stone for all people: ...all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces...
America is is BIG trouble
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Hi, Americans
I am novice here. Let's me try to discuss with you from position nativeRussian! I've found replies "emiller"; "Mr. Mojo"; most interesting.
You don't need invent something!
Iran want to aggravate situation! Iran want to provoke a confrontation! After that, they can prohibit any inspections!
What can be after?
Israel and the others (except the Muslim's world) will condemn.. but who can do something really?
Israel? It is ridiculous.
USA? Having not finished entertainments in Afghanistan, Iraq, to begin new enterprise in Iran? Having more than 50bln dollars imbalance every month?
Look at CIA World Fact Book; compare Iran, Israel, and someone else;(include Russia of course)
Iranian president understand completely, that theocratic regime has no perspectives.
Iranian people hate his Islamite order..
Nobody can conquer Iran, but Iran can be blasted from within plainly!
Last chance of Iranian president to aggravate situation, join nation and people in fron of enemy, a struggle for justice, a struggle for death; otherwise, Islamite regime will fall down!
No one is talking about an expensive and bloody occupation; the Iranian Islamist regime and their nuclear capabilities can be destroyed (or at least severely weakened) purely using air power, and both Israel and the U.S. obviously have the the capability to accomplish that mission (although most likely Israel will stay out of it). Once Ahmadinejad's regime is weakened sufficiently the Iranian people/resistance can take it from there and complete the job.
Welcome to FR.
"Israel immediately called for an emergency session of the UN security council."
"Israel to earth: We have a serious emergency here! Bring on the Keystone Kops!"
Dragged into this by whom? What nation on earth would have the power to drag an unwilling Russia into a conflict where it's practically a sure thing that every one of their major cities would be annihilated? Hard to fathom that scenario.
I think that everybody understands absolutely well, today, that the next world war can erupt overnight right out of Jerusalem. The eyes of the World are upon Jerusalem. It is one of the most vexting and volatile problems that the U.N. wrestles with today. Israel possesss about 1/6 of 1% of the land area which the Arabs possess. Arabs have oil, wealth, and worldwide influence which such seemingly inexhaustible resources command. Not only is Israel's postage stamp piece of land scarcely discernabl on a world map, but it utterly lacks the essentials to make it the center of worldwide concern.
Think about it: a global war has been prophecied being fought over a tiny city having absolutely no strategic or even tactical importance whatsoever. Neither does this city command any commercial importance in anybody's eyes, and so can not be considered some extremely valuable prize to fight over.
And yet, only the extremely obtuse, or dim sighted, would deny today Jerusalem being a hair trigger for carnage the likes the world's never seen before. As recently as 1948, Zechariah's prophecy was considered utter madness, even after Israel's rebirth. And yet today, 6 billion people, keep a wary and fearfull eye upon Jerusalem.
Please, look at the map of the Middle East. Iran has the best position to control the Persian Gulf and any state of the Middle East. I remember the times of Iranian shah when Iran was almost western country: American movies, cars, cigarettes, alcoholic drinks, fashion - miniskirt and so on.. Iran got newest American aircrafts simultaneously with American army! Who began to build nuclear power station in Iran? – The USA! Who continued that construction a few years after falling of the shah regime? – West Germany with kind permission of the USA. Who continues that construction when West Germany refused to build? – Russian Federation (after collapse of the USSR) because Russia wanted to make money ONLY and give a job for Russian dying industry. Moreover, Iranian government made business proposition for Russia – to build FIVE nuclear power stations. It can be huge money…
Nothing bombardment can change geographical location of Iran!
Gloomy regime of Iranian Ayatollahs must be blasted from within. Mighty student's demonstration in Tehran (a few months ago) showed – it may be.
Yesterday I saw short reporting of Russian TV from Tehran about demonstration in support of Ahmadinejad and against Israel together with USA. It was demonstration of some quite old men (about 40 years old and more). I did not see even one young face! As far as I know, Iranian young people would live like in the early seventies. They are supporters of progress. Any bombardment can make them as opponents. Rash statement of Iranian president is rude attempt on the way to retain unpopular Ayatollahs regime at any price...
Wrong. The majority of the Iranian people who are in opposition to their currrent Islamist regime would welcome any American military effort to help them take out that regime. I've been hearing seemingly forever about how the young people of Iran are "on the verge" of commencing a revolution the exact opposite in character as the Islamist one in '79, but we can only wait so long. ....especially when nukes are in the balance.
"Iranian government made business proposition for Russia – to build FIVE nuclear power stations. It can be huge money…"
Huge money for whom, the Russians? Frankly I couldn't care less about Russians making money, especailly if the end result is a nuclear Iran. If you mean huge money for Iranians, that's also BS -- any nation as oil rich as they are certainly doesn't need nuclear power. Understand this -- if those nutballs ever come close to building nukes they will be destroyed, and the Russian engineers/workers would be advised to get hell out of there ASAP.
Thankfully Ahmadinejad and his gang of terrorists are probably at least a couple years away from being nuclear capable, so it gives the Iranian opposition a bit more time to take care of business. ....but the better get on the ball.
Yes, this guy is Hitler with a beard...and a potential arsenal of nukes.
"but we can only wait so long"
It is too passive.. I suppose the revolution in Iran can be soon.
"Huge money for whom, the Russians?"
I suppose it is well known that epidemic of corruption is the main disease in Russia. Now it is clearly that every communist (they all are in control since 1917 up to nowadays) WAS and IS first of all THIEF!
Thank you for interesting discussion.
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