SUSAN ESTRICH RESPONDS TO JUANITA BROADDRICK'S OFFER TO SPEAK ABOUT HER RAPE -- "not interested"

email from Susan Estrich | 10-21-05 | Doug from Upland

[doug from upland]

At 11:37 am this morning, I received an email from USC professor of law, Susan Estrich.

After hearing Estrich discuss her new Hillary book with Sean Hannity on October 11, I was a little upset. Estrich was essentially calling our friend Juanita Broaddrick a liar. She had spoken with her friend Bill Clinton, and, of course, Bill denied that he raped Juanita. That was good enough for Estrich. Bill could lie to his wife, lie to his daughter, lie to his attorney, lie to his secretary, lie to reporters, lie to his cabinet, lie to the court, and lie to the American people while pointing his finger at us, but by some cosmic mystery that is beyond human comprehension, Bill would not lie to her. Okay then. So, Juanita was not telling the truth. She is a liar. Unfortunately, this teacher of law students, this officer of the court, this person who purports to be so fair and open-minded, had not heard the other side of the story. She has never spoken with Juanita. Yet, Juanita is a liar. A known liar and perjurer told her so. Well, something needed to be done about that.

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An initial conversation was held with Ms. Estrich's secretary at USC inquiring about the willingness of Estrich to speak with Juanita if it could be arranged. That was followed up with an email.

Juanita then contacted me through FReepmail with the good news -- she wanted to meet with Susan. She had some things she wanted to tell her. Certainly, Estrich, as a fellow rape survivor, would be interested in speaking with Juanita, right?

Another phone call and email to Estrich's office gave her the good news. Apparently, it was not very good news to Estrich. Here is the email received from her this morning ---

What? She is not interested? A fellow rape survivor wants to speak with her after comments were made on a radio show and Estrich is not interested?

If she were honest, rather than merely being a Bill Clinton sick-o-fant, here is the email she should have sent to me ---

If anyone is interested in taking some action, I would appreciate your help. Until Estrich speaks with Juanita and hears her story, why would any talk show host on our side have the sick-o-fant on the air to sell her book? If you participate on blogs, please spread the word.

We all know why Estrich won't meet with her. She is afraid to hear the truth. If she heard the truth, it would be an incredible moral dilemma. How does a rape survivor side with a rapist against a fellow rape survivor and dare show herself on television ever again?

Just imagine her course of action had the rapist been named Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, or George W. Bush.

Susan, I once had some respect for you when you and I had good discussions on your Los Angeles weekend radio show. Now, the sight of you and the sound of your voice simply make me ill. You are a phony.

SUSAN ESTRICH CONTACT INFORMATION

Susan Estrich
Robert Kingsley Professor in Law and Professor of Law and Political Science

Phone: (213) 740-7578
E-mail address: sestrich@law.usc.edu

[SuziQ]

What if it was DeLay?

He'd be dead meat, for sure!

[RightOnline]

"I don't have anything to make me not believe that Susan was also a victim."

Other than her now-proven lack of anything resembling character.

[doug from upland]

That may be a reasonable statement.

[doug from upland]

Thanks for your input regarding what must bring back incredibly painful memories.

[doug from upland]

JUANITA BROADDRICK -- LIVE THREAD, HANNITY SHOW ^

Posted by snoopy222 to doug from upland
On News/Activism ^ 06/10/2003 8:52:32 PM PDT · 357 of 430 ^

Doug, I want to thank you and everyone on this thread. I consider all of you my friends. Thanks for believing in me and for your support all these years. I can't believe how calm and relaxed I was for this interview. Sean Hannity is a great interviewer and puts you at ease. The first interview with Lisa Myers was more difficult because I had to recount so many painful issues about the actual assault. They had to stop the camera often because I was so emotional. This time was so different. Like I have said before, it is easy when you tell the truth. Again, thanks to all of you. Juanita

[GOPJ]

I thought she was different too. What a disappointment.

[doug from upland]

For DemocRATS, power is all that matters. When my congressman, Jay Kim, got caught taking money from Korea, he spent time jail. When he got out and ran in the primary, we buried him. No one would we allow it. The DemocRATS are different. It is easy for them to forgive bad behavior and criminality.

Susan knows that facing the truth publicly can do no good for her, Bill, Hillary, or the rest of the disgusting sick-o-fants in her disgusting party.

[hummingbird]

I'm no therapist, but for a woman to behave in this way makes me think she has not been able to fully find a resolution or closure from her own rape, or that her story of ever being raped is false.

If I go with my first speculation, I feel sorrow for her. If I go with my second speculation, I feel the same.

[hummingbird]

It goes to prove that the N.O.W./Feminist/MSM/Liberals are not truly for women, but, to promote a sick hateful agenda.

Yes. Sounds like Ms. Estrich bought into the pack agenda.

[doug from upland]

Here is a must read. Since it is the WASHINGTON COMPOST, it must be excerpted --- FULL STORY.

Washington, D.C.: Susan, how do you relate personally to this week's storyline?

Susan Estrich and Kelly St. John: Kelly: The premise of the story is a personal story, the gist is that in 1987 a girl was kidnapped in Orange County and she was later found raped and murdered. The following year I was raped and let go. The assailant plead guilty and spent 20 years in prison. Only many years later a DNA match solved the earlier unsolved murder, in 1996 he was prosecuted for it.

Susan: I'm a lawyer and a rape victim and I've worked on rape law for many years. I think fate is obviously a huge issue, but those of us who have survived carry our scars. It is enormously brave and important of Kelly to be telling this story. There is no underestimating the pain of doing so. This sense of being lucky to be alive stays with you. I had a girlfriend who had the same experience -- and there is something terrifying about the recognition of how close you were to death.

[hummingbird]

Do you think she (& Hillary, et al) are so attached to the ideology that they have compartmentalized WJC's behavior so thoroughly into a place where they don't have to think about it that they can allow themselves to believe it never happened?

Cause that would be really "messed up." If that were the case, meeting with Mrs. Broaddrick would be a very unpleasant moment; it would force Susan Estrich to confront her own delusions. I'm actually feeling somewhat sorry for her; she sounds like she needs help.

[doug from upland]

Oh, this is great. From the same article in the WASHINGTON COMPOST just cited ---

"Professor Estrich was special assistant to Senator Edward M. Kennedy,"

Excellent. She admires the woman killer and the rapist. I wonder how she feels about Mel Reynolds and Marion Barry.

[doug from upland]

SOURCE

12) Jessie Jackson has added former Chicago Democrat Congressman Mel Reynolds to Rainbow/ PUSH Coalition's payroll. Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute forgiveness spree. Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He is more notorious, however, for concurrently serving five years for sleeping with an underage campaign volunteer. This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate... won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate... then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate. His new job is as a youth counselor. (ER)

[april15Bendovr]

This is a case where the ends justifies the means is not so clean comes up against the pain of Bill Clintons stain

Feminism is set back twenty years what a shame despite their fears

Clintons legacy could be lost despite all the spin at any cost

Sorry Susan you had your chance as you say I wont defend a sister because somebody pulled down your pants

[doug from upland]

See No. 150.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Since this doesn't appear to be working... maybe you should try to set up a meeting between Bill Clinton and Susan Estrich's rapist. *gurgle* *gag*

[doug from upland]

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ALL THE EX-PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS
Nurse backs up
Clinton rape charge
Attended Broaddrick's wounds after alleged assault in Arkansas

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Posted: June 26, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

In her first radio interview, the woman who nursed the wounds of Juanita Broaddrick shortly after an alleged sexual assault by Bill Clinton, says she remains convinced the ex-president is a rapist.

"Every time I talk about this, it still makes me upset," said Norma Rogers Kelsey, in an interview with talk show host Bob Enyart of KGOV in Denver.

Kelsey's interview, broadcast in two parts, last night and tonight, comes after Broaddrick repeated her charge on national television amid the release of Hillary Clinton's new book, which essentially ignored the accusation.

Kelsey, 49, is now a wife and mother of six children, living in Tulsa, Okla.


Juanita Broaddrick (courtesy: Fox News)

As WorldNetDaily reported, Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator in Van Buren, Ark., told Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes program last Wednesday Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1978 while he was attorney general of Arkansas.

Known as "Jane Doe No. 5" in Kenneth Starr's impeachment report to Congress, Broaddrick had filed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, at first denying Clinton had made any unwelcome sexual advances to her. But she later claimed to investigators for independent counsel Starr she was raped.

Kelsey, who then worked for Broaddrick as a nurse, said they went together to the American College of Nursing Home Administrators convention at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock, Ark., in April 1978.

Broaddrick had been invited to call Clinton's gubernatorial campaign office when she arrived in town to talk about volunteering, recalls Kelsey, who was 25 at the time.

"We thought it was going to be an exciting thing to work on his campaign," Kelsey said. "He was a charismatic young man – a person we felt like was definitely going some place."

Nothing other than a meeting

Clinton told Broaddrick because of his stature, it would be difficult to meet in the coffee shop and suggested they talk in a room.

"She had no reason to think that there would be anything else other than a meeting involved," Kelsey said.

Kelsey went to the convention's scheduled event, while Broaddrick contacted Clinton.

When Kelsey returned to the hotel lobby, she called Broaddrick's room to find out how the meeting went.

"I just remember being on the phone with her … and she was very upset," Kelsey recalls. "She said come to the room, we have to go back to Van Buren."

When Kelsey arrived in the room, she found Broaddrick's "lip was all swollen and very puffed out, and she was putting ice on it."

"She appeared to me to almost be in a shocked state," Kelsey said.

She believes Broaddrick's contention that the sexual contact was not consensual.

"If it had been some planned escapade she would have told me," she said. "We were close enough friends that she would have told me."

Kelsey recalls Broaddrick saying the meeting with Clinton began with small talk, and "she was a little surprised he was by himself."

"She said he was showing her locations outside the window there in Little Rock, and then, all of a sudden, he just kind of grabbed her and started kissing her," remembers Kelsey.

"He overtook her and pushed her to the bed, and from that point on it was just a rape."

Kelsey says Broaddrick explained how her lip became swollen: "He bit her lip to try to keep her from struggling with him."

Enyart asked if Broaddrick used the term "rape."

"Yes, she was so upset that she had allowed that to happen," Kelsey said. "She was afraid that this … would ruin her business. That's why she made me promise not to tell anyone."

Broaddrick said when Clinton made advances, she told him she couldn't do this. Though she was a married woman, she was in love with another man, David Broaddrick, who later became her husband.

Enyart commented: "She might have thought that would cause him to back up, but that was like adding fuel to the fire. If she was willing to have an affair with a married man … ."

"Right," Kelsey replied, "and I think that was a lot of the reason why she didn't want anything divulged. She was wrapped up in guilt thinking she might have deserved this."

Kelsey said on the two-hour drive back to Van Buren, Broaddrick "was just beating herself up over the fact that she could have been so stupid."

Over the next couple of days, Clinton tried to contact Broaddrick, she said.

"She told me he had tried to reach her," Kelsey said, "but she did not want to speak to him."

Cause for revenge?

Kelsey did not share her story with any media until 1999 when Broaddrick gave her first televised interview, taped in February during the Senate impeachment trial by NBC's news program Dateline but broadcast in March.

The New York Times said one of the reasons NBC delayed airing the Broaddrick interview was because a personal fact about Kelsey had given them pause.

In 1980, the man who killed Kelsey's father was made eligible for parole by Clinton, who at the time was lame-duck governor of Arkansas.

"People thought I was out to get Clinton," she said, noting a news report that questioned her motives.

"Our family was very upset he did that, but I would never ever accuse or tell a story like that about some one for that reason," she said. "My father was gone anyway."

Another encounter

Kelsey said she happened to be with Broaddrick again at a nursing home meeting in Little Rock in 1990 when Clinton aides called her to come with them.

When she returned to Kelsey, Broaddrick said: "You won't believe what just happened."

"They took her out of meeting, down this hallway at the hotel in Little Rock, and there he was," Kelsey said, referring to Clinton. "He told her he apologized and asked if she could forgive him, and if there was any way he could to make it up to her for what had happened."

Broaddrick told Clinton he could "go to hell."

One year later, when Clinton announced he was running for president, Broaddrick said "now she knew why he apologized," according to Kelsey.

Kelsey, who since had gone to work as a nurse at a steel mill in Arkansas, recalls Broaddrick calling her to let her know a colleague in the nursing home business, Phillip Yoakum, was pressing for the story to be publicized. "She said, Norma, please do not contact anyone. If anyone contacts you, please tell them you don't know anything."

The New York Times called her at home, she said, "and I told them I had no comment."

When lawyers for Paula Jones came to Broaddrick in an attempt to corroborate Clinton's style of behavior, Broaddrick denied she had made the charge.

But Broaddrick's son, a lawyer, warned her against lying to a federal grand jury, and she decided to tell the story.

Kelsey was then paid a visit by the FBI.

"It was very scary," she said. "I had the FBI come to my home here in Oklahoma and sit me down and make me corroborate stories they had been hearing."

When the FBI came, you told them the truth? Enyart asked.

"Absolutely," Kelsey said.

Enyart read through a list of other incidents in which women claimed Clinton forced himself on them sexually.

"It's appalling," Kelsey said, "when you read he's going to get a big talk show on TV, and it just makes me sick."

After Broaddrick made her charge public, Enyart organized nearly 150 protests, following Clinton wherever he appeared around the country, and even internationally, with signs declaring, "I believe Juanita."

The talk show host and pastor of Denver Bible Church says he plans to hold a week of protest-related events in Little Rock when the Clinton library opens to ensure the media will not ignore Broaddrick's accusation.

Kelsey said she agreed with Enyart that the media has given Clinton a pass.

"It's a sad story," she said, "and it's very sad when you are part of it and you feel like there is not anything you can say or do to change things."

[doug from upland]

This is working fine. Susan has given us ammunition.

[doug from upland]

Actually, that would be interesting.

[California Patriot]

Estrich is a typical Rat. Her mind is a conscience-free zone.