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The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame I'm surprised the Telegraph posted the story.

The truth about global warming(now on mars) - it's the Sun that's to blame This is the thread for the Telegraph's story.

Global Warming on Mars?

THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF EARTH'S UNSTOPPABLE 1,500-YEAR CLIMATE CYCLE

1 posted on 10/09/2005 6:41:39 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The truth about global warming......Climate changes and what man does has very little to do about it.


2 posted on 10/09/2005 6:44:03 PM PDT by Always Right
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OK, if you really, really think carbon emissions are the cause of global warming put the blame where it belongs (Jane Fonda) and support building 400 new nuclear power plants.


6 posted on 10/09/2005 6:56:32 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: neverdem

OK, if you really, really think carbon emissions are the cause of global warming put the blame where it belongs (Jane Fonda) and support building 400 new nuclear power plants.


7 posted on 10/09/2005 6:56:35 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: neverdem
'zactly. The bogs are defrosting and soon a huge fart of methane might or might not smother us. And they'll claim it's because us bean eaters don't buy Tums.

The world takes care of itself, regardless of our being here. But if we want to continue happily 'occupying' the earth, we need to eat many many Tums.

Its just a theory.

Earth/Tums Jihad Warning!

/s
8 posted on 10/09/2005 6:58:34 PM PDT by My Right Foot
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Most scientists don't know how to communicate their complex results to the public.

What a sanctimonious asshole. "Oh, we know what going on because we're the anointed, but Joe Sixpack is just too dumb and too focused on reality TV for us to convince him."

9 posted on 10/09/2005 6:59:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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Models have improved greatly in the past 30 years but still can't anticipate all the ways the atmosphere will respond as greenhouse gases climb. The dozen models in use today predict average temperature increases of 3 to 11 degrees by the end of the century.

Scientists and engineers love their models, but one should run a model against actual data and show that the model matches the data. This is not yet possible for geo warming models, hence the models can't be run backwards and predict things either. Expecially since we don't know what the sun was doing in the Eocene period.

With new evidence that the solar heat has been increasing by about the amount of the warming we should all realize that while climate change may be occurring, it may not be time to dump the family car. But it may be time to build higher levees.


10 posted on 10/09/2005 6:59:55 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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Humans are only beginning to understand her rhythms. Our puny human lifespans and written history but a blink of an eye to Sol.


11 posted on 10/09/2005 7:05:05 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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There is a logical explanation for global warming:

We need to bring back pirates.

15 posted on 10/09/2005 7:10:27 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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As Gore sipped Diet Coke,

There's a lot of CO2 in Diet Coke, which is why he later switched to iced tea.

16 posted on 10/09/2005 7:12:13 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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It's not that the skeptics think that the earth is too stable for change, it's that they think that the forces of nature are so large that man's role is not as significant as the greens think. They think, like the earth-centric solar system proponents of old, that humans play a much larger role in the grand scheme of things than they really do.

Also, they are like people who think they see UFOs all the time. They have the global warming template, and they plug everything into it. Then they castigate others who dare look at information without plugging it into the trendy template.


17 posted on 10/09/2005 7:12:32 PM PDT by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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Mount Saint Helens was Bush's fault. As was Mount Vesuvius and Mount Krakatoa.

Someone has to keep the record straight and the scorecard accurate.

And in breaking news, President Bush had a bowel movement yesterday on AF-1 that caused a 7.7 Earthquake in Pakistan and India.

Michael Moore will have his movie out by Christmas.

19 posted on 10/09/2005 7:15:36 PM PDT by Cobra64
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The Earth rotates at about 1,000 miles per hour and is moving around the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour. Maybe we just need to move aaway from the Sun a little.

I'm going to count to three and then everyone lean to the left real fast. That should make the Earth wobble away from the Sun.

1--2--3.....

21 posted on 10/09/2005 7:17:52 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Don't get stuck on stupid - Lt. General Honore)
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Well, either it is getting warmer or it is getting colder.

We have had multiple Ice Ages long before humans evolved. That means there were several periods of Global Cooling each followed by a period of Global Warming. Hmmm... Maybe the Earth's temperature goes through cycles like every other thing in the natural world.

Please, these same scientists believe that if it weren't for the Isthmus of Panama rising, which prevented the free flow of water between the Atlantic and Pacific, which changed the salination levels between the Atlantic and Pacific, which changed the ocean temperatures, which changed the trade winds, which changed the rain patterns, which resulted in the deforestation of half the continent of Africa, Humans would never have evolved. But when flood plains actually flood it's a sign of the Apocalypse.
22 posted on 10/09/2005 7:18:00 PM PDT by Ragnorak
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1995 was the hottest year on record until it was eclipsed by 1997 — then 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004

I guarantee you that they didn't use the same thermometers for every one of these years. They selected the temp readings that would give them the desired statistics.

With winter approaching, ask the Warmist nut jobs this question: "Will a colder than average winter be a sign of global cooling?"...answer: "No, that would be a sign of global warming."...then ask: "Would a warmer than average winter be a sign of global cooling?"...answer: "Don't be silly, that would be a sign of global warming."...then ask: "What would be a sign of global cooling?".

Go ask one them before winter starts, you'll see that I'm right.

23 posted on 10/09/2005 7:20:14 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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24 posted on 10/09/2005 7:22:47 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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"Dr Solanki does not know what is causing the Sun to burn brighter now or how long this cycle would last."


I blame Bush.


26 posted on 10/09/2005 7:30:11 PM PDT by lonestar67
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Models have improved greatly in the past 30 years but still can't anticipate all the ways the atmosphere will respond as greenhouse gases climb. The dozen models in use today predict average temperature increases of 3 to 11 degrees by the end of the century.

The first predictions of 10,000 dead New Orleanians after Katrina came from a LSU computer model. (At that point, Nagin was saying, "hundreds, maybe thousands.")

I was a skeptic of the 10,000 figure. Can I get some money from whatever industries?

30 posted on 10/09/2005 7:33:18 PM PDT by jackliberty
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To: neverdem; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great links; thanks for posting the article AND the rebuttal! Ping to Ernest for your global warming list.


34 posted on 10/09/2005 7:36:26 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Forgive your enemies, it messes with their minds.)
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"There's a huge disconnect between what professional scientists have studied and learned in the last 30 years, and what is out there in the popular culture," said Naomi Oreskes, a science historian at the University of California, San Diego.

yes there is, thank goodness!!!


35 posted on 10/09/2005 7:36:31 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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Yea right no other explanation for "unprecedented" warming


http://www.co2science.org/scripts/Template/MainPage.jsp?Page=BrowseCatalogEnlarged&sProductCode=V7N30EDIT


37 posted on 10/09/2005 7:38:42 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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