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Survey: Homeowners don't believe in real estate bubble
DailyNewsTranscript ^ | 10/7/05 | DailyNewsTranscript

Posted on 10/08/2005 2:35:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

Despite fears in the marketplace about a U.S. housing bubble, about 60 percent of homeowners expect the value of their homes to increase by at least 5 percent annually during the next several years, according to an online survey of 1,001 American consumers.

According to the survey findings, released by RBC Capital Markets, the corporate and investment banking arm of RBC Financial Group, 24 percent of respondents said they expect annualized gains of 10 percent or more over the next few years. About 3 percent of respondents said they expect their home values to decline over the next few years.

About 85 percent of homeowners who responded to the survey said they have experienced real estate gains over the last three years and over 70 percent experienced gains in excess of 10 percent during this timeframe, RBC announced.

Meanwhile, about 10 percent of the respondents said rising home values have affected their spending habits. And over half of those surveyed disagreed with the notion that real estate gains impacted their spending even though 51 percent either sold their home or borrowed against their home equity in some fashion. Ironically, those that disagreed most with the idea that real estate gains had impacted their spending were those in higher income brackets (defined as those making over $100,000) and those that had already experienced the biggest real estate gains, RBC reported.

Ultimately, these two groups were also the most aggressive in extracting equity (approximately 65 percent).

"Not only are most people expecting big real estate gains to continue, the vast majority of people don't believe these gains have impacted their spending. These opinions run contrary to most data in the marketplace regarding the real estate wealth effect," said Scot Ciccarelli, managing director of equity research for RBC Capital Markets.

"We believe these findings raise a major question. In our minds, the question is whether people have spent more freely than they otherwise would have because of their real estate gains and don't even recognize it. If that's the case, a simple slowing of real estate gains, not just a fall in housing prices, could have a significant adverse impact on spending patterns."

About 60 percent said rising gas and energy prices were already causing them to cut back on their spending. "Rising energy prices are essentially creating a flat tax that is affecting lower income consumers at a disproportionate rate and supports anecdotal evidence in the marketplace over the past two years that companies more levered towards higher-end consumers have largely outperformed those that cater to lower-end consumers," Ciccarelli said.

Finally, by a 2-to-1 ratio, people are more positive about their personal financial situation than they are on the broader economy. On average, just under 40 percent of respondents were optimistic about their personal financial situation and just over 30 percent were concerned or pessimistic, the survey found.

On the flip side, 20 percent of the respondents were optimistic about the broader economy while just over 50 percent were concerned or pessimistic about the economy.

"Not surprisingly, those that were the most optimistic about their personal financial situation were those in the upper income categories and those that had experienced the biggest real estate gains," RBC announced.

"This outlook seems to cut to the heart of the American consumer. People seem to be conscious of the macroeconomic headwinds facing them like rising energy prices, the war on terror, and the growing federal deficit and the impact it can have on others. However, they are less inclined to believe they can be affected by these same factors. Ultimately, it is this optimism that keeps the U.S. spending engine intact," said Ciccarelli. "While energy prices are certainly disconcerting, it is this real estate wealth effect that we are most concerned about and should be the primary focus of investors."


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To: wagglebee
Interestingly enough, what is still selling briskly are condos and townhouses - not single family homes. It's the single family homes that are taking a beating. I've been watching that since we had planned to upgrade this year ... but when I saw stuff sitting on the market, single family homes ... and following up on what they sold for ... it was better we waited till the spring.
61 posted on 10/08/2005 5:50:22 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I'd like someone to tell me how if I own stock in Coca-Cola, in Home Depot, in Bank of America, or in Harley Davidson, then I own nothing of value. I own a piece of some of the best-run businesses in America

Just steer clear of Pitney Bowes and you will be fine! :)

62 posted on 10/08/2005 5:50:23 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: foobeca
That's not true. If you mortgage is paid off you own it. Those with interest only loans and other creative financing will probably never own their home - they're just renting and fantasizing while others are "impressed" at how over extended they are.

Eminent Domain is unlikely in a development. You're exaggerating with your comments.
63 posted on 10/08/2005 5:53:23 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: mvpel

"If you paid half a million for a 500-square-foot condo with the idea of flipping it in a year or two, then you might nto actually own something of value."

I hear over priced closets don't sell well.


64 posted on 10/08/2005 5:54:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: mvpel

"If you paid half a million for a 500-square-foot condo with the idea of flipping it in a year or two, then you might nto actually own something of value."

I hear over priced closets don't sell well.

UNLESS it is in a VERY ELITE location.


65 posted on 10/08/2005 5:58:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: foobeca
Corrections are no different than than drinking. If you get drunk, you can put off the hangover by continuing to drink. But the more you drink, the worse the hangover will be.

The analogy is absolutely inappropriate. I am referring to a simple fact that a dynamical system evolves differently in time when it is controlled and uncontrolled. A falling aircraft may be also viewed as clearing "excesses" of altitude, but changing the position of the throttle allows it to regain altitude, save the life of the passengers and ultimately land safely.

Greenspan delayed the onset of the recession by pumping the economy full of money and credit.

Again, it's like saying that by using fuel an aircraft that took off from the the East coast has delayed landing by six hours: it would've eventually come down to earth anyway. True, but that would be to miss the point of the flight.

Similarly, with the economy: it is controlled by changing the money supply. Since 1982, we had a continuous boom, which did not happen before in American history, and in 2001 had a mild recession. Although cyclicity cannot be eliminated completely --- just like small ups and downs during the flight of an airplane --- Fed certainly helped to smooth the ride.

66 posted on 10/08/2005 6:48:02 PM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: wagglebee
What you are missing is...generally speaking the public is generally wrong. They are one of the best contrary indicators out there....

That being said, I happen to think that there are most surely bubbles out there....some huge, some not so big. Time will tell....

FWIW-

67 posted on 10/08/2005 6:52:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I'm caring less, more and more....................)
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To: SmartCitizen
You are obviously a smart citizen....

FRegards,

68 posted on 10/08/2005 6:54:04 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I'm caring less, more and more....................)
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To: foobeca

I have figured out that after 15 years buying my house, I will have lived for free even if the market takes a dip. Plus my monthly cost is now about half of what renters pay.

Can't get that by renting my friend!


69 posted on 10/08/2005 6:59:32 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: wagglebee
With all of this talk about a "bubble," many seem to lose sight of the fact that real estate is very different than the stock market; if values drop, you still own something of value as opposed to worthless stock in some defunct dot.com start-up.

But unless you live in your stock, you can always sell it high.

70 posted on 10/08/2005 7:01:49 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: wagglebee

The only problem is that real estate is so leveraged. If your mortgage is 70% of the value of your house, and prices drop 15%, you have lost half of your stash, ala the NASDAQ collapse. It is the leverage the gnomes are worried about.


71 posted on 10/08/2005 7:05:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: SmartCitizen; ex-Texan
People are stretched to their limits - many have mortgages of $4 - $5,000/month! Taxes are in excess of $10,000/year. They live paycheck to paycheck. All it will take is higher interest rates which will bankrupt the ARM people, or a downturn in the jobs. Think about it. That cannot last. It's the very epitomy of a bubble in Orange County.

Realistic summary.

Add to that, that we live in very uncertain times.

No telling how long a job, an industry, a career may last.

72 posted on 10/08/2005 7:05:05 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: TheLion

You got lucky and bought at the right time and in the right place. Long term, it's impossible for everyone to have their house values go up so much that they "live in them for free."

It's simply illogical.


73 posted on 10/08/2005 7:08:26 PM PDT by foobeca
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I'd like someone to tell me how if I own stock in Coca-Cola, in Home Depot, in Bank of America, or in Harley Davidson, then I own nothing of value. I own a piece of some of the best-run businesses in America. And one of the nice things is, I don't have to mow Coca-Cola's lawn, and I don't have to put a new roof on the Home Depot every 20 years.

I agree with you 100%. Over the long run, blue-chip stocks are a great investment and historically beat real estate in terms of capital appreciation. Yes, a home is an asset that you can live in, but it's also a liability in a way that stocks aren't. Shareholders don't have to pay property tax, insurance, maintenance, etc.
74 posted on 10/08/2005 7:11:07 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: ExitPurgamentum
Strangely, most people do not know today that ownership of real estate has never been "The American Dream:" that myth was created by then newly formed REALTORs Association (REALTOR is a made-up word theretofore nonexistent).

Made Up? I suppose so, but every work must have its Genesis. My own profession for example - "Avionics Technician" would have had no meaning to Mr. Webster when he compiled his dictionary. Nevertheless, it's a real way to earn one's keep and a part of the language today despite being less than a century old. No language (save perhaps Esperanto) sprang full-blown into existence. The words were created to describe things and concepts the speakers dealt with on an everyday basis. New words are created, old words are forgotten, and so it will always be unless the language itself dies.

75 posted on 10/08/2005 7:11:33 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Bitter, seething hatred: The religion of Blue State America.)
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To: jdm
"you still own something of value as opposed to worthless stock in some defunct dot.com start-up." Don't remind me!!!! ARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!

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Friends and Family shares in the IPO of a now defunct Dot-Com bought my little shack. Geeez, I miss the nineties...(sometimes)

76 posted on 10/08/2005 7:14:17 PM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: nmh
That's not true. If you mortgage is paid off you own it.

That's what the tyrants would like you to think. Let's say that your house is paid off and you lose your job. You can't afford to pay your property taxes, the rent to your lord-the government. The real owners, the government, will come and take away your house from you. It's a crying shame that you should have to sell your house because you can't pay the taxes on it.

If you really own something, no one can take it away from you for any reason. I don't have to pay any taxes for owning stocks, bonds, gold, or just about anything else.

77 posted on 10/08/2005 7:14:56 PM PDT by foobeca
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To: ExitPurgamentum; Hildy
You are right on the money, Hildy, no pun intended.

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No, Hildy, you are wrong. There is no loss if you don't sell and you can live in this investment which is a value as opposed to the loss associated with being a shareholder in a company going bust.

78 posted on 10/08/2005 7:18:39 PM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: wagglebee
Because it would ultimately be homeowner confidence that causes a collapse in real estate values,

Hate to rain on your happy parade, but the real estate market is controlled by the "MARKET FORCES" not the "happy homeowners confidence."

79 posted on 10/08/2005 7:21:10 PM PDT by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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To: ExitPurgamentum

I don't know how you can say that Greenspan did not overstimulate the economy. Overstimulating the economy can be worse than doing nothing at all.

Even he admitted that there's some serious distortions in the economy. These distortions were caused the by excess money and credit created by the Fed. All that money and credit had to go somewhere and it went into the housing market.

Consumer spending is driving the economy. The increases in consumer spending came about as a result of more borrowing rather than through increased personal income. There's only so long that you can live on borrowed money.


80 posted on 10/08/2005 7:23:43 PM PDT by foobeca
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