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Worldly word:New Bible texts translate the Bible away
WORLD ^ | October 15, 2005 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 10/07/2005 8:38:02 AM PDT by Caleb1411

As evangelicals debate the inclusive-language Today's New International Version (TNIV), many liberal mainline churches have slipped far down the slippery slope in what they have done to the Bible.

In 1990, the National Council of Churches published the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), an inclusive-language rendition of the well-accepted Revised Standard Version (RSV). This translation keeps masculine references to God and to Jesus, but changes them for human beings, getting rid of the generic "man," putting "brothers and sisters" where the original just has "brothers," and using awkward plurals and repetitions to avoid the generic "he." Never mind that the messianic title "Son of Man" is now "a human being." What the NRSV did to the RSV is pretty much what the TNIV did to the NIV.

But that much inclusive language was not enough for many mainline churches. An Inclusive Language Lectionary, a rendition of Scripture texts read during the worship service, takes the next step of changing the gendered language for God. Today, the congregations who use this lectionary in Sunday worship pray to "our Father-Mother." Jesus is not the Son of God, but the "child of God." The pronoun "he" is not even used for the man Jesus, replaced with ungrammatical constructions: "Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us" becomes "Jesus Christ, who gave self for us" (Titus 2:13-14).

But that much tinkering proved not to be enough either. In 1995, Oxford University Press published the New Testament and Psalms: An Inclusive Version. This revision of the NRSV not only uses gender-inclusive language for God and Jesus ("God our father-mother"), it also eliminates, in the words of the introduction, "all pejorative references to race, color, or religion, and all identifications of persons by their physical disability." In avoiding all "offensive language," "darkness" is changed to "night," lest it offend black people, and "the right hand of God" is changed to "the mighty hand of God," lest it offend left-handed people.

But that does not go far enough. The liberal Catholic group Priests for Equality published in 2004 the Inclusive Bible. "Kingdom" is both sexist and authoritarian, so the priests made up a new word, "kindom." Adam is not a "man," he is an "earth creature." And to avoid offending homosexuals or others in nontraditional relationships, the words "husband" and "wife" are changed to "partner."

But since radical theology depends on demonizing the "patriarchy" of the Bible, the Inclusive Bible includes footnotes admitting that "the actual Hebrew is even more brutal" and chastising the apostle Paul for his retrograde attitudes. Then the translators just change the text to something more suitable.

But the Inclusive Bible does not go far enough either. The Bible version Good as New: A Radical Retelling of the Scriptures uses what its introduction calls "cultural translation." Not only is it inclusive, it translates ancient terms into their modern-day equivalent. Thus, "demon possession" becomes "mental illness." Even names are changed: Peter, Nicodemus, and Bethsaida become "Rocky," "Ray," and "Fishtown." Religious terminology is eliminated, as not being in accord with our culture: "Baptize" is changed to "dip"; "salvation" is changed to "completeness."

The translation describes itself as "women, gay and sinner friendly." Thus, when Paul says that it is better to marry than to burn, the Inclusive Bible says, "If you know you have strong needs, get yourself a partner. Better than being frustrated." The Inclusive Bible follows the higher critics in leaving out the Pastoral Epistles and Revelation, and it follows The Da Vinci Code in including instead the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. This translation is endorsed by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, and the evangelical leader Tony Campolo.

But does any of this matter, as long as people are exposed to the Bible? Yes, it does. The bisexual deity "Father-Mother" is not the true God, nor is this made-up religion Christianity. These translations are not the Word of God. Just the Word of Man.


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KEYWORDS: apostate; bible; christianity; heresy; heretic; moralabsolutes; purge; religiousleft; screwballs; screwytranslations; tniv
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To: dangus

**I know the Gospel of Thomas is a favorite among writers ..**

Well, did Mary become a man after Christ preached to her?


101 posted on 10/07/2005 11:04:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: wideawake
Its tiny membership consists of of several nuns who consider themselves "priests" and several men who were once Catholic priests but who have since left or been stripped of their ministry.

Thanks for that clarification. I'm an Episcopalian, and I've had my eye on the Roman Catholic Church since our House of Bishops installed Vicky Gene as Bishop of New Hampshire.

It isn't likely that an actively gay priest will come into our parish, but if it should happen, I'll bail immediately, and the only Christian branch now that appears to hanging onto tradition is the Roman Catholic Church.

102 posted on 10/07/2005 11:05:26 AM PDT by Marauder (The height of hypocrisy: Members of congress upset because someone lied to them.)
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To: Caleb1411
The Inclusive Bible follows the higher critics in leaving out the Pastoral Epistles and Revelation,

High on what, I wonder?

103 posted on 10/07/2005 11:06:27 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SoftballMominVA
Either it is Gods word or it is not. If it is, then we have no authority to change it, if it is not, we are free to do as we wish.
I choose the former. I'll stick with the KJV.

GE
104 posted on 10/07/2005 11:10:45 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Ciexyz
Gimme that old time religion, it's good enuf for me.

- virtual HI-FIVE -
105 posted on 10/07/2005 11:13:15 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: radioman
The Greek text of the Gospel of Thomas on display in Cairo predates the Coptic Texts. It is older than any other original text from those times.

Age doesn't mean it is God's Truth. It would be a mistake to make that a qualification. Satan predates man. Does that mean what he says is more right than whatever any man has ever said?

106 posted on 10/07/2005 11:15:41 AM PDT by lupie
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To: radioman
Baloney. Even if it is, it's heresy and was NEVER taken seriously by any of the church fathers and was NOT included in the canon of scripture. And the reason is simple - it is inconsistent with NT themes and teachings.

Like I said, it is only taken seriously by those who seek to discredit the Christian faith - like the Jesus Seminiar and Da Vinci Code cultists.

107 posted on 10/07/2005 11:18:22 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: Marine_Uncle
Huh?

Gospel of Thomas 114 - The female must make herself male...Sounds pretty clear to me.

Was he amoung the 54 translators that the King appointed

He was the man in charge. The King ordered him to produce a religious book that favored the King. Do you really think that any of those men would do anything that displeased the King?

King James was the Adolph Hitler of those times. He murdered every Jew in England. Those who did not follow his whim lost their heads. That was the atmosphere the King James Bible was written in.
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108 posted on 10/07/2005 11:18:45 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
According to the earliest, Thomas wrote the words as Jesus spoke them.
109 posted on 10/07/2005 11:20:04 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: lupie
Age doesn't mean it is God's Truth. It would be a mistake to make that a qualification.

I agree. I was just responding to the statement that Thomas is not as old as the Coptic Texts.

Satan predates man

I don't believe in that petty little demon.
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110 posted on 10/07/2005 11:22:51 AM PDT by radioman
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To: SmartCitizen
the church fathers

Who are the church fathers?
Do you have a quote from them about the Gospel of Thomas?
Was Thomas the brother of Jesus?

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111 posted on 10/07/2005 11:27:14 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
According to the earliest, Thomas wrote the words as Jesus spoke them.

(1) According to the earliest what?

(2) The Oxyrhyncus fragments may date before 200, but probably not.

The fragments of Matthew and John analyzed by Thiede and Greenfell date two to three generations earlier than the Thomas text.

112 posted on 10/07/2005 11:30:49 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: P-Marlowe

>> Get thee to a nunnery. <<

:^). I was just referring to how "molten likenesses" managed to become "graven images," and "serve" became "worship," and "prostrate" became "bow." The sad thing is these translations are so engrained in the American mind that most Catholic bibles unwittingly repeat them even while claiming to be based on Latin texts.


113 posted on 10/07/2005 11:36:31 AM PDT by dangus
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To: tellw

"Behold! I am Godself!"

"Did he say he's God's elf?"


114 posted on 10/07/2005 11:38:56 AM PDT by dangus
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To: pjd

>> What version is are you refering to? My KJV has this in Rev 22:18-19 <<

Tsk! Tsk! You're missing the super-sacred chapter? Darned Free-masons!


115 posted on 10/07/2005 11:40:23 AM PDT by dangus
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To: lupie; phil112
Yes, we are still members, but this will not last past the end of the year. I remember when our current pastor seemed pretty Christ-centered, but he now seems to be moving more and more towards new age-ism.

I still remember this year's Maundy Thursday service. Normally, I expect a heavy dose of Christ Crucified in such a service, with a strong emphasis on His sacrifice, and maybe a hymn like "O, Sacred Head Now Wounded", but the sermon, and the hymns were all about doing good works in the world (not that good works are bad, but you could do a sermon on that in any organization, like the Rotary Club). I remember afterwards, some of the more new-agey members (moms with gays sons or daughters) praising him for the sermon, while I kept wondering "where was Christ?"

Obviously, this particular church is sliding down a slope into an abyss. There is a PCA chuch kind of near that I intend to look at. It has to be a church with a halfway decent choir program, which my wife enjoys.

116 posted on 10/07/2005 11:41:25 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX- "Tom DeLay Country")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

>> Well, did Mary become a man after Christ preached to her? <<

Holy Cow! You just discovered why they like the Gospel of Thomas so much... They think it supports transgenderism!


117 posted on 10/07/2005 11:41:40 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Marauder
Don't be shy . . . come on across the Tiber, the water's fine!

I was a sixth generation Piskie - my gggg grandfather was baptized in St. Giles Cripplegate (where Cromwell was married and Milton is buried). Our bishop (Atlanta) went stark raving mad, he was one of the delegation sent to Lincolnshire to "explain" to the primates why Vicky Gene was just ducky . . . and he has "explained" it to his flock ad nauseam. Our former rector and his sidekick vicar were all for it . . . to the point that in one of those interminable "meetings" to try to explain why black was white and good was evil, the rector said anybody who couldn't accept gay bishops and gay priests and gay marriage was "hating and evil". We walked out and never looked back.

We found a wonderful Catholic parish where Christ is glorified, the word of God is preached extensively and in detail, Christian education really educates, and there's a great choir too. Of course we were really "high" to begin with, so it seems to us as though we just came home after wandering around with a bunch of lunatics in the wilderness for the last 10 years or so . . .

118 posted on 10/07/2005 11:42:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Marauder

>> It isn't likely that an actively gay priest will come into our parish, but if it should happen, I'll bail immediately, and the only Christian branch now that appears to hanging onto tradition is the Roman Catholic Church. <<

I got some bad news for you :^D
(I'm only smiling 'cause it hurts!)


119 posted on 10/07/2005 11:43:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: wideawake
The fragments of Matthew and John analyzed by Thiede and Greenfell date two to three generations earlier than the Thomas text

That was in 1920!
Greenfell's 'Papyrus 46' is one of the oldest New Testament manuscripts known to exist today, but it has been radio carbon dated at the early 3rd century
The Greek fragments have been dated to the period.
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120 posted on 10/07/2005 11:44:06 AM PDT by radioman
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