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To: SmartCitizen
the church fathers

Who are the church fathers?
Do you have a quote from them about the Gospel of Thomas?
Was Thomas the brother of Jesus?

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111 posted on 10/07/2005 11:27:14 AM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman
The church fathers are those from the first 2 centuries of the church, and those who gave us the canon of scripture (of which Thomas is NOT a part). Examples are Polycarp, Tertullian, etc.

Second, the manuscript in Egypt is a 4th century copy found at Nag Hammadi Egypt. Most scholars say that Thomas is a late 2nd century gnostic document. More importantly, it is not part of the canon of scripture, so why do you treat it as if it is? Do you know what gnosticism is? Paul the Apostle battled it himself. Only the Jesus Seminar and other fringe lunatics give it early dating. And you are wrong about it aligning with teh synoptic gospels. Thomas gives no account of Jesus' birth, miracles, death or resurrection. Second, Thomas contains only sayings - there is no historical context, which is evidence of its late writing and unreliability. Thomas contains no prophetic (eschatological) sayings.

Excerpt from "The Conspiracy to Silence the Son of God" by Tal Brooke: "NT scholar Craig Blomberg notes that roughly one-third of the sayings of the Gospel of Thomas are clearly Gnostic in nature; between one third and one half are paralleled closely in Matheww, Mark, Luke, or John; the remaining sayings are not demonstrably unorthodox but could lend themselves to gnostic interpretations. As an example, here is a "saying" from Thomas, apparently a corruption of Peter's confession of Jesus as the Messiah (see Mt 16:13-20) in which the apostle Thomas receives a secret revelation:

"Jesus says to his disciples: Compare me, and tell me whom I am like.": Simon Peter says to him: "Thou are like a just angel." Mathew says to him: "Thou are like a wise man and a philosopher." Thomas says to him: "Master, my tongue cannot find words to say whom thou art like." Jesus says: "I am no longer thy master; for thou has drunk,, thou are inebriated from the bubbling spring which is mine and which I sent forth." Then he took him aside; he said three words to him. And when Thomas came ack to his companions, they asked him: "What did Jesus say to thee?" And Thomas answered them: "If I tell you (a single) one of the words he said to me, you will take up stones and throw them at me, and fire will come out of the stones and consume you!" (G. of Thomas, 14).

Thomas, alone among the disciples, discerned correctly that the master is beyond description (beyond comprehension). For this he was rewarded with recognition of his equal footing with Jesus, and with a secret word, for which the other disciples were not yet ready, or perhaps not capable of hearing. The elitism of gnosticism, and its "secret" nature, are evident.

If you believe Thomas is scripture, then you go against the church fathers who gave us the canon of scripture, and against the mainstream of Christian scholarship, and you align yourself with Jesus Seminar lunatics.

I could provide more information from other sources if you like.

123 posted on 10/07/2005 11:53:46 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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