Posted on 10/02/2005 9:21:43 AM PDT by wagglebee
I will NEVER vote for a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, social liberal Republican like Rudy Guiliani.
Just a little difference between him and Hilbeast.
I get a bang out of all of us who wring our hands and complain about the liberal SCOTUS. Haven't all but two been appointed by Republicans?
No more than wishful thinking, without a basis in fact. We can imagine that Rudy would appoint our kind of judge, but unfortunately there is more reason to believe he would do the opposite.
I take him as a man of his word when he said, "I'll uphold a woman's right of choice," and, "I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal." He even called abortion a "right." (Rudy Giuliani, Sept. 1, 1989)
That is a promise to protect Roe v. Wade, as well as an endorsement of the judicial activism that gave us legalized abortion.
The Clintons are looking for Republicans to nominate a Bob Dole.
Or an Arlen Specter. Make their day.
Absolutely. :-)
So are you saying Alabama or Kansas will vote Democrat?
Giuliani wins because the Electoral College rules.
He wins States that make a Democrat victory impossible.
One more fatal flaw for Mr. Giuliani: his 1994 endorsement of Mario Cuomo over George Pataki in the New York governor's race. The national GOP will never let a backstabbing @sshole like that find his way onto a national ticket.
Reagan supported Roosevelt.
No. But Ohio sure might. And perhaps Arkansas or Tennessee, too. What state from Kerry's column in 2004 will go Republican in 2008 just because Rudy's the GOP candidate?
Guiliani does not extend beyond NY.
He may have good PR post 9/11 but he does not have the creditials to extend beyond NY.
People will find out about him and he will loose on the God, Guns and "Gays" vote. Will he come out and be 100% for the Federal Marriage Amendment? Will he oppose civil unions?
He is just not mainstream enough.
NY, NJ, CA, PA, many others.
All those you have not voting for him for various reasons are the same voters.
They will ve vastly outnumbered in more crucial States by those to who those are not issues worth considering.
He may not be nominated. But if he is nominated, he wins.
If neither he nor McCain are nominated, the Republican likely loses- particularly against Hillary.
"Haven't all but two been appointed by Republicans?"
Yeah, but you know how it is. They went to college. They knew how to look conservative, stay under the radar, and fake their way along. But they know better than we do, see? Killing babies is goooood.
in fact, the federal government is never going to be able to do a damn thing about states who adopt civil unions. the best they can do, contain them to that state with the federal DoMA - will go if the SCOTUS tosses that (and they likely will unless Roberts can convince Kennedy to switch over). the only other recourse is a constitutional amendment - and the votes are not there for that.
so tell, what can a president really do about stopping gay marriage? gay marriage is making its greatest strides - with Bush as president. is it working out now? yet you tell me Rudy should be disqualified over gay marriage.
I think Allen can win, perhaps with Rudy on the ticket. but's its going to be damn close - just like last time. and when the pro-lifers find out that Allen is tolerant of abortion for adult women in the first trimester, some may bolt over that anyway.
When I earned my graduate degree at the University of Denver in the early 1970s, no one with whom I was associated, participated in the activities that you describe.
Do you think that Dr. Condoleezza Rice participated in these activities before she graduated from my alma mater, the University of Denver, in 1974?
One of the co-founders of JD Edwards is now a PHd at the University of Denver. I studied under him while studying for, and earning my MBA. He is a now Dean of the Business School.
He must have learned, and earned, his credentials in the chug/orgy fests; 35 years ago.
I met my wife in 1969 in a Statistics class. She does not drink, nor chug, nor participate in orgies.
Some folks may have a jaundiced eye towards higher education. Probably due to the Stainman that...
end of conversation.
I wasn't using Rockefeller as an example of anything, although I could. Giuliani reminds me of Rockefeller because he's an unacceptably moderate Republican---what they called a Rockefeller Republican back then.
As a matter of fact Rockefeller was a perennial contender for the nomination and he was thwarted by more conservative candidates every time---Nixon twice, and Goldwater in '64. (Some irregularities in his domestic life didn't help either.)
If Giuliani seeks the nomination, I'm sure the same thing will happen to him. Republicans prefer conservatives when they can get them.
Assuming she's elected, it's highly unlikely such treachery and treason will ever occur again.
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