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Bus explodes carrying evacuees (24 dead, Fox News)
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Posted on 09/23/2005 5:08:41 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch

DEATHS: Bus carrying Hurricane Rita evacuees has exploded on Interstate 45 near Dallas...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: burningbus; bus; buses; bushsfault; dallas; evacuees; explosion; hurricanerita; rip; rita
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To: InvisibleChurch
Just heard about this.

What a nightmare!

121 posted on 09/23/2005 7:39:46 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Milligan
How can you people live and have steady nerves? Right now I'm biting my nails with worry. It appears everyone is stuck in traffic, no place to go and burning buses now.

Why shouldn't we have steady nerves, we are Texans after all. Life will go on, football will still be played, the oil will start flowing again next week.

It may shock people to know this, but hurricanes have hit Texas before!!! I'm not making it up!!! It has nothing to do with the global warming crap either!!!

We've even had hurricanes hit Houston head-on within recent memory. Look it up, I'm serious.

Heck, we had one hurricane that made Katrina look like a walk in the park.

I remember experiencing Carla from when I was a kid, and I remember my grandfather telling me about seeing Galveston a few weeks after it was all but washed away.

We've had a burning bus with 20+ dead, and that is certainly a tragedy, but it is not anything to put your life on hold for or to panic over - those people who died probably, hopefully lived full lives, and they are hopefully in a better place now.

The most important thing to be taken out of today's tragedy, is the fact that these people died on a bus far away from where the hurricane is going to hit.

They didn't drown. They didn't die because their life-support equipment lost power. They weren't shot by looters. They didn't starve.
122 posted on 09/23/2005 7:40:04 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: SpottedBeaver
The bus stopped earlier in the trip because of a flat tire. The driver took the bus to a shop and bought and replaced the tire. A shop mechanic also looked at the brake line and said that there was a problem and a potential for a fire caused by the brakes.

It caught fire exactly as the mechanic warned. Oxygen carried on board, aggravated and fueled the fire.

Oh man...Were now hearing 25 dead.....

123 posted on 09/23/2005 7:42:39 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: serpentineshel

If it was me and my family I would evacuated Tuesday. If you have a hard time communting on a average work day what do you expect during an evacuation? It's a large urban setting. If people didn't yield to warnings to get out by Tuesday then they are responsible for themselves. Can't blame public officals for an individuals poor judgement.

I believe in free will but the left will bounce on this one too. They are dead against the Patriot Act interfering with their lives but want immediate help from the government when they're waist deep in crap.

I think people need to learn self determination here.


124 posted on 09/23/2005 7:43:43 AM PDT by Milligan (I don't know much about history)
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To: af_vet_rr

Speaking of looters, check out his picture of a gang of looters caught in the act after Katrina!!
http://forms.belointeractive.com/sharedcontent/datafiles/1127405763306_ORIGINAL_Hurricane_Katrina_266.jpg


125 posted on 09/23/2005 7:45:20 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Milligan
If it was me and my family I would evacuated Tuesday.

Just as you posted this, they had someone on that said they had only moved 6 miles in 24 hours!!

126 posted on 09/23/2005 7:48:26 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: serpentineshel
Even as sad as this is, it is even more frustrating to watch because as they were trying to clear this from the road, the miles and miles of traffic of evacuees backed up behind them.

They were just showing images here on the west coast. It looks like something out of a bad hollywood movie. As far as we could see, thousands outside their cars, just standing there, all the way to the horizon.

127 posted on 09/23/2005 7:54:03 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth

Tragedy.

The last I heard was that they are also reporting that nine have been transported to Parkland Memorial Hospital's Emergency Burn Unit.


128 posted on 09/23/2005 7:54:48 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver (Allen, TX -- Directly North of Dallas -- I'm down the street from FReeper L,TOWM)
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To: Steve_Seattle
They are interviewing the manager of the nursing home in Bellaire and some idiot reporter is asking them if they now think "they made a mistake in evacuating these people"!
129 posted on 09/23/2005 7:54:56 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: SpottedBeaver
Terrible. Now hearing 25 dead.

The images they were showing here a few minutes ago looked like something out of a "Terminator" movie. A burned out bus, with traffic back up over the horizon...

130 posted on 09/23/2005 7:58:32 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Zacs Mom

What a disgusting question. Naturally, par for the course for our media. They just put out the fire and the second-guessing is already beginning.


131 posted on 09/23/2005 8:01:36 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("One might even go so far as to say ... he's mediocre." - Daffy Duck)
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To: Milligan

Oh, hey...I'm completely with you. I grew up in Florida.

When that hurricane rounded Miami, I would have been out of anywhere in the Gulf. From the Coast of Texas to the Panhandle of Florida.

Same thing with Katrina. The minute they say Cat 3 or above, I'd be gone. With my husband, daughter, 2 dogs, bird, and every single important thing that I could pack in my car.

No way would I depend on anyone to "tell me" when it was time to go. Much less depend on someone to take care of me afterwards.

I'm not saying everyone can do that--I know there are people who need help. But anyone with common sense can look at that radar screen and see that monster coming for DAYS in advace.


132 posted on 09/23/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by serpentineshel
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To: TomGuy
Half of the 45 on board have NOT been accounted for, yet (unconfirmed).

We just heard 25 dead.

These people were burned alive.

Damn!

133 posted on 09/23/2005 8:02:40 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth

Yes, and the authorities have been given permission to move the bus with the bodies still on board so that I-45 can be re-opened. There are still alot of people trying to get north and out of Rita's way.


134 posted on 09/23/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver (Allen, TX -- Directly North of Dallas -- I'm down the street from FReeper L,TOWM)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

"Sparks from the breaks ignited gas tanks"
"This usually occurs when gasoline is leaking from the tank."

AAAAAAAAAAAA Wrong..

All major buses use diesel fuel. Diesel fuel is harder to ignite than regular fuel. In fact the flash point of diesel fuel in the tank is about 140 degrees Fahrenheit. Compare this to the flash point of regular gasoline in the tank of -35 degrees Fahrenheit.

Since buses typically carry 100 gallons of diesel fuel, if the fuel is ignited, it can be a major catastrophe for the bus, its driver and any passenger vehicles in the area. Most diesel fuel in buses is heated by recirculation through the fuel pump. However, because of the high flash point of this fuel, a large energy source is generally required to ignite even this warm fuel.

Unlike passenger crashes with gasoline, rupture of the fuel tank will probably not ignite the diesel fuel through sparks or a hot exhaust manifold. Of course, if the bus rig is carrying flammable materials a rupture could easily ignite those materials thereby giving the diesel fuel an ignition source.

Absent that scenario, research suggests that the most likely ignition source for a diesel fuel fire in a roll over or collision is the battery box.


135 posted on 09/23/2005 8:03:18 AM PDT by AMERIKA (NEOPLANUSA)
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To: Black Tooth

Has anyone on this thread ever in their lives heard of a bus fire caused by bad brakes? I haven't, yet - right in the middle of a major evacuation - it happens. I'm not a church-going man, but this almost seems demonic.


136 posted on 09/23/2005 8:03:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: SpottedBeaver

We saw the video. I swear, it was right out of a Terminator movie.


137 posted on 09/23/2005 8:04:07 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: AMERIKA

"All major buses use diesel fuel. Diesel fuel is harder to ignite"


Sorry about that..I caught myself a few posts down (I had just woken up) and said I should have been talking about diesel fuel.


138 posted on 09/23/2005 8:06:59 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Black Tooth
"Half of the 45 on board have NOT been accounted for, yet (unconfirmed) . . . We just heard 25 dead."
Does this mean they have 25 bodies and 20 missing (incinerated?), or 25 dead and 20 survivors?
139 posted on 09/23/2005 8:07:47 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yep. Just thinking about the last minutes on board that thing is disturbing. Just sitting there, and being burned alive, not being able to get away.


140 posted on 09/23/2005 8:07:50 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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