Posted on 09/14/2005 11:51:27 AM PDT by Rightwingmom
SAN FRANCISCO — Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance (search) in public schools was ruled unconstitutional Wednesday by a federal judge who granted legal standing to two families represented by an atheist who lost his previous battle before the U.S. Supreme Court.
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The 9th circuit appeals court has not ruled, only a trial judge. There is no circuit court conflict - yet.
They are not only trying to get rid of the plege because of the "Under God" part, they are trying to do away with the pledge altogether!
See post 102. The left is trying to say that it is unconstitutional to say the pledge in ANY form in a school (Nationalism as a religion arguement)
I don't think any judge has taken that bait yet.
Welcome to SCOTUS CJ Roberts.
Ok I didn't know the trial judge was just citing a holding that bound him. The posts I read, just got off that he was sitting in SF, and thus must be a nutter, a leftist, a homo, or all three. And so it goes.
Here's my question for you. SCOTUS has ruled that non compulsory recitation of the POA is perfectly constitutional (Barnette). 9th Circuit has ruled the same thing UnConstitutional because of the words "under God" (Newdow). Why is the District Judge not bound by SCOTUS holding in Barnett rather than 9th Circuit holding in Newdow?
I understand the holdings are based on different issues and that Barnette actually was ruled on prior to the addition of the words "under God" but nevertheless isn't the "law of the Land" that the POA is constitutional in school settings?
If you haven't heard, God is a generic term recognizing a supreme power, not the exclusive name of the deity worhipped by Christians. The Bible identifies his name as YHWH in Hebrew, translated by some as Jehovah and others as Yahweh and some others as Yehowah.
Under God simply means recognition of a higher power, whatever you may regard that as.
To deny that, as atheist and human secularists do is tantamount to declaring their religion a state religion. Yes, they are religions as well.
Wow. They really, really, really want to help Bush get right-wingers on the SC don't they? They just gave the R's a BIG tool to appoint pretty much anybody they want.
Heck, with enough things like this being news, we could renominate Bork.
If the basis of the ruling of the 9th circuit was that evil "under God" thing, then the holding of SCOTUS which did not address was not there, is inapposite. Surely that seems clear. This near atheist does not mind saying under God, because the term "God" in this context I view as largely secular, in this day and age, conveying the message of gravitas, and I appreciate the gravitas, and wish to associate myself with it, because I think patriotism, and loyalty, is a matter of gravitas. I don't view the incantation in context as being essentially religious, but no doubt that view of mine is ideosyncratic.
Because Michael Newdork is a you know what. This teacher will be saying the Pledge with his class.
Perhaps the parents of the rest of the children who are now having their freedom of expression oppressed should start filing suit.
Sue Michael Newdork for all the time and taxpayer money he has wasted of ours in pursuit of forcing his views onto the rest of us.
It's required in my state.
Last time, it barely caused a ripple here and we still said the Pledge. I hope it will be the same this time. Michael Newdumb has too much time on his hands.
GM would have been looked on by Jefferson as amoral, that's for sure.
It's required in our curriculum to learn the Pledge and study the nation's symbols. Mr. Newdummy is trying to change my curriculum and dictate what I teach. I don't like that.
That is not an appropriate comment to make. I don't always agree with lj, but I've at least developed a measure of respect for the passion he has for his stands.
they are trying to do away with the pledge altogether
I think that's probably Newdumb's intention.
If you thought that it was directed solely a LJ then forgive me - it was directed at everyone (Americans).
The world is laughing at all of you as you continue on the path of self destruction.
Katrina alone demonstrated to many throughout the world that America is no better than any 3rd world county when it comes to social development. Lot of technology and high tech gizmos but when disaster strikes Americans revert to barbarism worse than any of the countries affected by the tsunami.
I don't like the petty sniping either, but underneath Katrina, I saw a lot of things happen besides what's reported in the media. Yes, there was the Silverdome, but there were other parts too and things are progressing at a faster rate than ever. I went to volunteer to help where some of the evacuees are being housed and was told I was not needed because there were so many volunteers. There has been unprecedented giving and support as has happened many times. I have seen it locally and statewide. The papers here have told of many heroic and positive stories that won't appear in the national or international news.
I look at other things besides just what I read in the papers or hear on the news.
I don't think that some people who regard themselves as being above "other people" as being socially developed.
But we will see what we want to see I guess.
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