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New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes
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| September 8
| ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Posted on 09/08/2005 3:40:23 PM PDT by RDTF
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Bizarre Poll Question
You are sitting in your home with your shotgun. The city and countryside around you has been destroyed, but your homestead remains unscathed. You have enough provisions to sustain you for one full year.The Mayor of your area has ordered a mandatory evacuation and confiscation of firearms from private citizens. The local Police arrive to enforce the order.
How do you respond?
- Cooperate with the authorities
- "Other"
- Pass
181
posted on
09/08/2005 4:48:47 PM PDT
by
Michael Goldsberry
(an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
To: Congressman Billybob
Billy,
You don't need a permit to own a gun in the majority of states including LA
182
posted on
09/08/2005 4:49:01 PM PDT
by
Nov3
("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
To: RDTF
I want to see them try and take away
these guys' firearms:
Gareth Stubbs and neigbhors with five borrowed shotguns, a pistol, a flare gun, an old AK-47 and loads of ammunition strategically placed next to the blankets and pillows where they have kept watch over their neighborhood.
Above post has link to full article at http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#077574
183
posted on
09/08/2005 4:51:02 PM PDT
by
bwteim
(Begin With The End In Mind)
To: Avenger
"Welcome to Nazi Germany" So President Bush is Hitler?
Interesting analogy. I suppose we'll just have to see, won't we? Will he stand up for the Second Amendment and the natural right to self-defense or not?
Bush happily stomped the First Amendment by infringing political free speech, so I make no assumptions about his feelings on the Second.
Like I said, we'll just have to see.
184
posted on
09/08/2005 4:52:40 PM PDT
by
Hank Rearden
(Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
To: Jeff Head
If you are ordered to leave your home and refuse to leave it, you then become an unlawful citizen. Unlawful citizens can be legally disarmed. ***There is always a way to get around any freedom we have a right to enjoy. At least for a little while until it is challenged in a court of law. Which, in this case, will be to late to do anything about it.
To: RDTF
P. Edwin Compass, the superintendent of police. Without reading through the entire thread, so far.
Is this an elected government position?
186
posted on
09/08/2005 4:53:54 PM PDT
by
michigander
(The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
To: dimquest
If there is no declaration of martial law, then grabbing anyone's guns is illegal, unless the person is committing a crime with the gun at the time.
On the other hand, forcibly moving people out of their homes on public health grounds to prevent an epidemic of several dozen available diseases in that fetid water is legal under civil law. All states have some legal provisions for cutting off epidemics when they first threaten. (The Center for Disease Control provides information and support for any such effort. But the legal authority belongs to the state Health Department.)
John / Billybob
187
posted on
09/08/2005 4:54:16 PM PDT
by
Congressman Billybob
(Mayor Nagin is personally responsible for 6 times the American deaths as the Iraq War.)
To: claptrap
"The precedent is now set", my thoughts exactly. It is just a matter of time before wholesale confiscation will be attempted by various levels of government. Use or lose.
Over my dead body.
188
posted on
09/08/2005 4:54:16 PM PDT
by
11B40
(times change, people don't)
To: Hank Rearden
Interesting analogy. I suppose we'll just have to see, won't we? Will he stand up for the Second Amendment and the natural right to self-defense or not? We will definitely see.
189
posted on
09/08/2005 4:54:37 PM PDT
by
Nov3
("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
To: AliVeritas
Was it a press conference? If not, how was it spun? No, it was a report on the ABC nightly news. I was so shocked that I didn't get a take on the "spin". They weren't making these people out to be bad or anything. Just stating what was being done. They showed people living in historic old Mansions...real pretty ones. They also showed some more middle class areas where folks were refusing to leave. But that was after the gun portion of the story.
They showed the Nat'l Guards walking down the DRY streets in the old neighborhood. Typical Southern wide street with large trees and houses sitting farther back from the road. They said they had set up a "command post" in a local church. Had to leave a note because they couldn't locate the pastor. Then they talked to some of the guardsman who said it was weird doing this in America. One was named Fred Bible and he is part of the Oklahoma Nat'l Guard. Got my attention because I'm originally from Oklahoma and the name along with the church command post was interesting.
190
posted on
09/08/2005 4:54:47 PM PDT
by
TXBubba
( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
To: RDTF
"
Ok - But don't call these guys wannabees unless you know what you are talking about. Many people here will be offended."
His point was they don't have 'special rights', no matter who they are or what they do.
191
posted on
09/08/2005 4:55:02 PM PDT
by
monkeywrench
(Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
To: NonValueAdded
Moot point, the Louisiana constitution repeats the Second Amendment in a clear, unambiguous style.
Article 1, section 11:
§11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms Section 11.
The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.
At most, they could suspend concealed carry but that depends on whether or not they actually passed such a law. According to those who advocate 'States Rights', any state has the police power to reasonably regulate the carrying of weapons, concealed or not.
I'd say that todays action by 'authorities' exceeds any reasonable test.
To: Congressman Billybob
(Martial law, as its name implies, means rule by the military on its own rules of engagement. No military in history has ever taken kindly to potential hostiles carrying weapons in the territory it's trying to quell and control. Nor should it.
Once civilian rule is reestablished, all those with permits to own and carry weapons should get them back, with no charges filed.
John / Billybob)
A citizen protecting his home is not a potential hostile....even in Iraq they allow civilians to keep an assault rifle for protection. The right to personal weapons for self protection predates the Constitution and the 2nd amendment (and there is a Supreme Court decision that states that). If there was ever a time these people need it , it is in a time of near anarchy when the political powers have failed to protect it's citizens.
193
posted on
09/08/2005 4:56:39 PM PDT
by
Roamin53
(World War III started on Bill Clinton's watch....he just wasn't sure which side he was on!)
To: Congressman Billybob
On the other hand, forcibly moving people out of their homes on public health grounds to prevent an epidemic of several dozen available diseases in that fetid water is legal under civil law. All states have some legal provisions for cutting off epidemics when they first threaten. (The Center for Disease Control provides information and support for any such effort. But the legal authority belongs to the state Health Department.) FWIW, Billybob, arrording to FNC's Judge Napolitano, that's only legal if the authorities can prove the folks inside are actually a health hazard. If I understood the judge correctly :)
194
posted on
09/08/2005 4:56:40 PM PDT
by
mewzilla
(Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
To: Cheburashka
So I guess no Mardi Gras next year.Maybe not for the next few years or longer.
195
posted on
09/08/2005 4:56:44 PM PDT
by
the Deejay
(THE LADY DEEJAY)
To: monkeywrench
196
posted on
09/08/2005 4:57:14 PM PDT
by
RDTF
To: monkeywrench
RTDF can take his self righteous and shove it.
197
posted on
09/08/2005 4:58:06 PM PDT
by
Nov3
("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
To: PeteB570
Good afternoon.
"Hand them to the cops and watch as they turn the corner."
This is a forced evacuation for the people whose guns are being taken. That's one of the reasons the guns are being taken, so that TPTB can violate these people's rights in safety.
Michael Frazier
198
posted on
09/08/2005 4:58:22 PM PDT
by
brazzaville
(no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
To: Nov3
Remember when they wanted to confiscate guns in Iraq, but later decided not to? Well in America it is OK to do it I guess.
199
posted on
09/08/2005 4:59:02 PM PDT
by
Revel
To: RDTF
"Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said. BS---If people are behaving themselves, and just trying to survive in this nightmare, hands off! This is not business as usual here. People have a right to defend themselves. Period!
After everything that has happened there, and from what I've heard and read, half the law enforcement in this area cannot be trusted.
Another hurricane is now brewing, and they are disarming citizens? Sheesh!
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