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Nagin said slow response cost lives (Mayor Nagin slams Gov. Blanco)
New Orleans Times-Picayune (excerpt) ^ | September 4, 2005

Posted on 09/05/2005 12:14:06 AM PDT by HAL9000

Frustrated and grieving, Mayor Ray Nagin on Sunday again ripped the painfully slow response of state and federal authorities to the plight of tens of thousands of stranded New Orleanians in the days following Hurricane Katrina, saying their inaction cost lives and caused needless misery.

Nagin singled out Gov. Kathleen Blanco for criticism, saying that the governor had asked for 24 hours to think over a decision when time was a luxury that no one, especially refugees, had.

“When the president and the governor got here, I said, 'Mr. President, Madame Governor, you two have to get in synch. If you don't, more people are going to die.”

Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin said, after which Bush came out and told Nagin that he had given Blanco two options, and she requested a full day to decide.

“It would have been great if we could have walked off Air Force One and told the world we had it all worked out,” Nagin said. “It didn't happen, and more people died.”

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(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blame; blanco; cary; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nagin; neworleans
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To: BurbankKarl
Did you make that pic?

I'm not a photoshop jockey. I just found various pictures on previous Free Republic threads and copied the URL's to a text file. That way I can just cut and paste them into a reply box.

21 posted on 09/05/2005 1:21:46 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: HAL9000
The Revised, 2000 edition of the Southeast Louisiana Evacuation Plan on page 13, paragraph 5 states:

5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

Moreover, section D. Organization and Assignment of Responsibilities, page 11, paragraph 7 states:

7. Parishes: Conduct and control local evacuation in parishes located in the risk area and manages reception and shelter operations in parishes located in the host area.

STATE OF LOUISIANA EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN

22 posted on 09/05/2005 1:22:56 AM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

those pictures will be world famous by Tuesday morning...


23 posted on 09/05/2005 1:24:15 AM PDT by BurbankKarl (u)
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To: BurbankKarl
those pictures will be world famous by Tuesday morning... I wish I had noted who was responsible for the various pictures.
24 posted on 09/05/2005 1:26:17 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: HAL9000
Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin said...

Why wouldn't he want to be in that meeting? Why would he have to insist on a private meeting? This sounds as though he was having two subordinates work out something he was only supervising.

25 posted on 09/05/2005 1:26:56 AM PDT by skr
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To: HAL9000; Howlin
Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin said, after which Bush came out and told Nagin that he had given Blanco two options, and she requested a full day to decide.

Option 1: Direct the National Guard of Louisiana and request immediate help from other States, get to New Orleans and get the people out, i. e., issue a Mandatory Evacuation order using her powers as Governor & CIC of the State of Louisiana. Bush would provide active military units where necessary to supplement security and relief efforts coordinating with the Governor herself.

The first option above I laid out is speculative. I suspect the real option is what we are seeing unfold right now. Whether it will be successful only time will tell.

Option 2: Federalize the disaster effort, at least in New Orleans and environs. A tough call for the Governor, as she would be giving up her authority to control events in her State. Politically it could be fatal. She chose not to do so.

The second option we know actually happened when the President presented her with a legal proposal to federalize relief and security efforts in the Parishes of her choosing. Whether that option was presented to the Mayor is an open question, not withstanding his rant of the Governor's 24 hour delay in making a decision. I suspect the reason that the Mayor was left out of the face to face discussion between the Governor and the President has something to do with the fact that they are responsible for security matters on a National and State level. The Mayor can request help but he can not make decisions about Troop deployments.
26 posted on 09/05/2005 1:58:17 AM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Truthsayer20
I bet the good folks at DNC headquarters we busy coordinating a political strategy with their stooges in the media last week when people were dying.

At one point early on (I think it was Monday) we Freepers that were still worried about the possibility of flooding, were attacked here. There were I think 3 people working together to ridicule us as 'crying wolf'. I got the impression that they were operating in the same room, if you know what I mean. Thats was after Shemp floated the 'New Orleans Dodged a Bullet' story. It was really weird the way the story changed so drastically so quickly. All of of sudden because the last measured max speed dropped a few MPH and the track shifted slightly, "New Orleans Dodged a Bullet". If I was one of those conspiratorial type individuals, and I took a look back across everything that happened, its almost as if they were going to use this natural disaster, and lull Bush into a slow response. Then hit him with the nasty press coverage we saw later in the week. Thank goodness I am not one of those conspiratorial types.

27 posted on 09/05/2005 2:03:05 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Paleo Conservative

I put together the 1.2 miles /145 buses pic using Google Earth and the Katrina template overlay.


28 posted on 09/05/2005 2:03:14 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: HAL9000

When your enemies are trying to knife each to death, there's only one thing to do... grap the popcorn.


29 posted on 09/05/2005 2:24:08 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Bush originally gave Blanco three choices, but the first one was ruled out of hand. They were:

1- Lead
2- Follow
3- Get the h*ll out of the way


30 posted on 09/05/2005 2:32:21 AM PDT by Apparatchik
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To: Truthsayer20
I think she also had pressure from below, powerful local leaders ( names most of us wouldn't recognize ) who got her elected and were calling in their markers. A good man or woman would have told them all where to go.

She's obviously stupid as she ignored the lessons from 9/11 and Rudy. I don't know what the rest of the Dems have over her head, but taking the bull by the horns made Rudy mostly "bulletproof" as far as future politics go. She's finished.

Nagin's place in all of this was in her face the whole time until things got done.
31 posted on 09/05/2005 2:32:35 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Politicalities

Until he answers that question, I have a naggin' feelin' Nagin's career is toast.


32 posted on 09/05/2005 2:42:33 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: WasDougsLamb

And a lot of them that stayed, wanted to stay and loot.


33 posted on 09/05/2005 2:43:43 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: HAL9000

This mayor and this govenor have shown themselves to be inept and in over their heads.

Both should be in charge of some condo association not high office.


34 posted on 09/05/2005 2:44:39 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: HAL9000
Found this excerpt (indirectly, from a weather blog) from a 2002 Times-Picayunes series Washing Away:

In an evacuation, buses would be dispatched along their regular routes throughout the city to pick up people and go to the Superdome, which would be used as a staging area. From there, people would be taken out of the city to shelters to the north.

Some experts familiar with the plans say they won't work.

"That's never going to happen because there's not enough buses in the city," said Charley Ireland, who retired as deputy director of the New Orleans Office of Emergency Preparedness in 2000. "Between the RTA and the school buses, you've got maybe 500 buses, and they hold maybe 40 people each. It ain't going to happen."

The plan has other potential pitfalls.

No signs are in place to notify the public that the regular bus stops are also the stops for emergency evacuation. In Miami Beach, Fla., every other bus stop sports a huge sign identifying it as a hurricane evacuation stop.

It's also unclear whether the city's entire staff of bus drivers will remain. A union spokesman said that while drivers are aware of the plan, the union contract lacks a provision requiring them to stay.

35 posted on 09/05/2005 2:53:43 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Fresh Wind
It's also unclear whether the city's entire staff of bus drivers will remain. A union spokesman said that while drivers are aware of the plan, the union contract lacks a provision requiring them to stay.

If you can expect a reasonable lead time in the call to evacutate (=trust the leadership), then you can expect bus drivers to do it. But if the leadership waits until the storm is ten feet offshore, then I wouldn't hang around, either. I'd get my family and go. You can drive a bus anywhere.

36 posted on 09/05/2005 3:11:03 AM PDT by aBootes
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To: aBootes
One more paragraph from the source:

A similar plan in Monroe County, Fla. -- the Florida Keys -- failed during Georges when drivers opted out. "The problem is that we may have the buses but we don’t have the drivers," said Irene Toner, director of the county’s emergency management office. "In Hurricane Georges we had 25 people on our bus-driver list and only five showed up."

There's no doubt that Nagin's indecision and lack of leadership was a problem, but to some extent, it appears that his hands were tied by the city unions.

37 posted on 09/05/2005 3:40:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Politicalities
"Blame anyone but yourself, Ray. Why is a fleet of over 200 buses sitting in floodwater up to the grille when they could've taken tens of thousands of New Orleanians to safety?"

More photos re the buses and the short distance from the N O's bus yard to the dome.

Thanks to Paleo Conservative for compiling this sequence of very damning photos and Prime Choice for his great graphic arts summary:



38 posted on 09/05/2005 3:51:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Fresh Wind
There's no doubt that Nagin's indecision and lack of leadership was a problem, but to some extent, it appears that his hands were tied by the city unions.

If my memory is correct, on the first day this super hurricane appeared to be seriously threatening New Orleans, the Mayor himself said something to the effect of 'This is the Real Deal'. I think thats what he said.

39 posted on 09/05/2005 3:53:46 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: BurbankKarl

Hey more than you know, my daughter is taking copies of the LOTS, not just one lot mind you, and copies of maps of their location to school for show - n - tell.


40 posted on 09/05/2005 4:00:03 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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