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Why Didn't Louisiana Follow its Required Emergency Plan?
Self | September 4, 2005 | Joseph Ranos

Posted on 09/04/2005 3:48:32 PM PDT by Sonar5

1) Why Didn't Louisiana Follow it's Emergency Plan? Why isn't anyone talking about this?

2) Why hasn't anyone mentioned that a Pre-Requisite for a Federal Response BY LAW is that State Law is Executed and the Emergency Plan is Executed FIRST?

3) Why did the Governor abandon the City of New Orleans for the Safety of Baton Rouge, before the Plan was Executed?

4) Why, when the federal Government was acting in accordance with the Stafford Act, did the State of Louisiana, by its Governors acts, delay making requests when being told this storm was going to hit?

5) Why did Mayor Nagin or Governor Blanco, delay while sleeping on it Saturday night, the Mandatory evacuation spelled out in the Louisiana Emergency Plan? Saturday the Mayor said he may order an evacuation tomorrow. (Sunday)

6) Where were the Parish Presidents who were signatories to the Louisiana Emergency Plan, and why did they fail in its Execution to the plan?

7) In the Parish failure to implement, why didn't the State take over as required by the plan?

8) Why weren't the Hospitals nursing homes, etc. evacuated since the plan required them to do so?

9) Why did the Mandatory evacuation only occur AFTER President Bush called, and why did Governor Blanco stress that it was only after President Bush Called to urging the Evacuation order? Was she concerned for the Citizens, or was she grandstanding so she could blame the President if the Storm didn't hit?

10) Why were the Action Plan implementations required not done by the Local and State Government?

Links required reading for this information:

Louisiana State Emergency Operations Plan - 2005 :
Louisiana State Emergency Plan

Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan:
Southeast Louisiana Evac Plan

Southwest Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan:
Southwest Louisiana Evac Plan

Shelter Plan:
Shelter Plan

White House Declarations:

August 27, 2005 Emergency Declaration by President Bush:
Emergency Plan Dec

August 29, 2005 Major Disaster Declaration by President Bush:
Major Disaster Dec

Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, as amended by Public Law 106-390, October 30, 2000
Federal Law

Federal Response Plan:
Fed Response Plan

PARTIAL TIMELINE:

6:22 PM Pacific Friday 8/26/05
Quote:
Blanco declares state of emergency as Katrina shifts west

The governor this evening has declared a state of emergency as a major shift west in the projected track of Hurricane Katrina threatens Southeastern Louisiana.

At 5 p.m. federal forecasters made a significant westward shift in the projected path of Katrina, moving the New Orleans area much nearer the center of the cone of warning, with projected landfall now in the Biloxi area.

Note this Forecast and the declaration is almost 1 1/2 days Prior to the Mandatory Evac being instituted. This statement is reported at 2:29 pm Eastern Saturday. He should have ordered it Sooner than he finally did.

Saturday August 27, 2005 2:29 Eastern.
Mayor Delaying Evacuation along with Governor

Quote:
"This is not a test," New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin said at a news conference. He said he would probably ask people to leave at daybreak Sunday, and said the Superdome could be pressed into use as a shelter of last resort for people who do not have cars.

That is Proof the Mayor was already stating he was going to delay the Evacuation. This is Past the Time when the Emergency declarations were Issued by the Governor which was done on Friday.

She apparently said this on Saturday, according to a post , at Freerepublic:
Free Republic Link

But that post was placed on 08/27/2005 6:58:21 PM PDT, which is Saturday Night.
Quote:

Kathleen Blanco - "Lots of people are not aware of this storm because last night when they went to bed the forecast was for it to go into Florida, but overnight that changed to Louisiana."

So she is stating that last night, Friday. It didn't change overnight, she is trying to say she didn't know, and she did.

Sunday August 28, 2005
President Urges Evac
Quote:
Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that President Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.

So let's get to the Stafford Act linked to above shall we:

1) § 5191. PROCEDURE FOR DECLARATION {Sec. 501}
a.Request and declaration

All requests for a declaration by the President that an emergency exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State. Such a request shall be based on a finding that the situation is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and the affected local governments and that Federal assistance is necessary. As a part of such request, and as a prerequisite to emergency assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan. The Governor shall furnish information describing the State and local efforts and resources which have been or will be used to alleviate the emergency, and will define the type and extent of Federal aid required. Based upon such Governor's request, the President may declare that an emergency exists.

NOTE, it says the Following:
A) All requests for a declaration by the President that an emergency exists shall be made by the Governor of the affected State.

B) As a part of such request, and as a prerequisite to emergency assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan.

Note the word PREREQUISITE. So when the Governor REQUESTED the initial declaration, she was basically lying about the Emergency Plan being implemented.

Now, we take you to the Louisiana Emergency Plan as linked to above.

1) A catastrophic hurricane is defined as a hurricane in Category 3 Slow (5 mph or less forward speed), and categories 4 or 5 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale of hurricane strength (See Annex A). Hurricanes in Category 1, 2 and 3 Fast, are considered less destructive and can be met through the use of normal emergency preparedness procedures on the part of the Parish and State governments.

The overall strategy for dealing with a catastrophic hurricane is to evacuate as much of the at risk population as possible from the path of the storm and relocate them to a place of relative safety outside the projected high water mark of the storm surge flooding and hurricane force winds. The Southeastern Region is generally defined as those parishes which have all or a large part of their population east of the Atchafalaya River Basin and south of a line drawn along Interstates 10 and 12 from Baton Rouge, through Hammond to Slidell. The Region includes the parishes of Ascension, Assumption, Jefferson, Lafourche, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, St. James, St. John the Baptist, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, and Terrebonne

2) When a hurricane enters or takes form in the Gulf of Mexico, it is perceived as a potential catastrophic threat to the Southeast Louisiana Region. As the danger from the hurricane requires the initiation of emergency actions, the State Office of Emergency Preparedness and each parish will activate Emergency Operating Centers (EOCs) and declare a state of emergency. The State and parishes will commence planned emergency operations and coordinate their actions including activating and maintaining all means of communications.

Let's Look at the Responsibility of whom during an Evacuation. This can be found beginning on Page 16 0f 45 of the Louisiana Plan.

Voluntary Evacuation:

State Requirements:

State of Louisiana
1. Activate EOC and prepare for 24-hour operations.
2. Put State Departments and the ARC on standby alert in accordance with OEP Implementing Procedures.
3. Put National Guard units on standby alert.
4. Call all nursing homes and other custodial care organizations in the risk areas to insure that they are prepared to evacuate their residents.
5. Alert FEMA of the situation and advise that the State may need Federal assistance.
6. Establish communications with risk area parish EOCs and test all communications means, including conference call procedures.
7. Prepare a proclamation of emergency for the State so that, when needed, State resources can be mobilized to support risk area evacuation and host area sheltering operations.

Prepare proclamations for the State to intervene in local situations if local governments fail to act, in accordance with RS 29:721-735.

***NOTE IT SAYS So State Resources can be mobilized to support evacuation.***
***NOTE IT SAYS for the State to Intervene if Local Governments fail to act.***


Parish Requirements:

1) Local transportation resources should be marshaled and public transportation plans implemented as needed.

2) Announce the location of staging areas for people who need transportation. Public transportation will concentrate on moving people from the staging areas to safety in host parishes with priority given to people with special needs.

Recommended Evacuation:

State Duties:

Mobilize State transportation resources to aid in the evacuation of people who have mobility and/or health problems. Deploy to support risk area parishes.

Coordinate with neighboring states, Mississippi, Arkansas and Texas, and other states to which evacuees may go, such as Tennessee and Alabama. Advise states of the possible extent of Louisiana's evacuation and recommend appropriate traffic control measures.

Mandatory Evacuation:

NOT ISSUED UNTIL SUNDAY MORNING, so the Governor and Mayor got a good nights sleep Saturday Night, and only after the President urged them to do so, which was publicized in a press conference by Blanco.

a. Risk Area Parishes:

1. Coordinate evacuation orders with State and other risk parishes.
2. Instruct persons living in designated evacuation zones to leave.
3. Impose traffic control to funnel persons to designated evacuation routes.
4. Designate staging areas and other facilities as last resort refuges. People at these locations who cannot be evacuated in time to avoid the storm will remain and take refuge in the designated buildings.
5. Assist persons with mobility limitations to find last resort refuge. Mobilize all transportation resources and request assistance from the state as needed.
6. Continue to update EAS and news media with evacuation information at two-hour intervals.

b. Host Area Parishes:

1. Implement reception and care and traffic control plans.
2. Continue reporting status of shelter spaces and evacuees
accommodated to LOEP every four hours. 3.Continue 24-hour operations.

c.State of Louisiana:

1. Continue 24-hour EOC operations.
2. Consult with risk area parishes to finalize mandatory 01/00 III-6 evacuation orders.
3. Implement mandatory evacuation traffic controls. Convert specified limited access routes to one-way outbound operations. Control main evacuation routes with State resources.
4. Direct the evacuation and shelter of persons having mobility limitations, including persons in nursing homes, hospitals, group homes and non-institutionalized persons.
5. Keep neighboring states informed of status and traffic control decisions.
6. Keep EAS evacuation and shelter information updated on a two-hour basis, or more frequently if information is available on a timelier basis.
7. Keep media informed and updated on evacuation and shelter information.

Now there are several things that were not done according to this plan.

1- Direct the evacuation and shelter of persons having mobility limitations, including persons in nursing homes, hospitals, group homes and non-institutionalized persons.

This was the responsibility of the state, and it DID NOT OCCUR. Evidence Charity Hospital.

NOW, this is very Important to realize, it is the State's plan to implement the Shelter of last Resort. It was not designed for people to stay there:

From Page 29:

PART VI: STAGING AREAS / LAST RESORT REFUGE
A. Staging Areas
The definition of a staging area is a central location, easily accessible to those ambulatory people who are in need of transportation to a shelter.

1. Residents who have no means of transportation will be directed to the staging areas.

2. Transportation vehicles will be pre-positioned to transport residents to shelters.

3. Once the evacuation routes are closed, the staging areas will become Last Resort Refuges.

4. After the storm has passed and the evacuation order is rescinded, transportation will be provided to return people dropped off at shelters to the staging area.

B. Last Resort Refuge
The definition of Last Resort Refuge is a place for persons to be protected from the high winds and heavy rains from the storm. Unlike a shelter, there may be little or no water or food and possibly no utilities. A Last Resort Refuge is intended to provide best available survival protection for the duration of the hurricane only.

1. Once evacuation routes are closed, people who were unable to evacuate the risk area will be directed to last resort refuge and /or staging areas.

2. When it is determined that weather conditions permit, rescue teams will be sent into areas designated for Last Resort Refuge to transport evacuees to designated shelters.

So recap the Failure of the State and City here:

People were directed there, but No Transportation from there was used apparently before the storm. The superdome was only to be used during the duration of the hurricane.

Where were the Staging Areas?
Where was the Required Mobilization of State Resources?

Now go to Page 36 of the Plan. Here it starts talking about specifically what is need to evacuate the population.

POPULATION AT RISK ANNEX C
RISK AREA POPULATION SUMMARY*
Ascension 73,667
Assumption 22,862
Jefferson 454,447
Lafourche 88,712
Orleans 462,761
Plaquemines 25,728
St. Bernard 66,903
St. Charles 47,606
St. James 21,362
St. John 41,664
St. Tammany 188,053
Tangipahoa 96,723
Terrebonne 104,317
TOTAL 1,694,805

* 1990 Census Data (as amended by the Louisiana Tech University estimates of Population) 01/00 C-1

CATEGORY 4 FAST HURRICANE - 15 MPH

PARISH EVACUEES VEHICLES

Ascension
Assumption 22,862 9,296
Jefferson 319,968 126,971
Lafourche 74,765 26,701
Orleans 334,192 111,397
Plaquemines 24,256 8,393
St. Bernard 60,539 22,094
St. Charles 41,904 15,718
St. John 15,869 5,491
St. James 7,175 2,307
St. Tammany 105,069 41,529
Tangipahoa
Terrebonne 104,317 37,199
TOTAL 1,110,916 407,096

TIME ESTIMATES FOR EVACUATION DECISIONS:

Depending on the speed and strength of a hurricane and the number of people who are at risk, the time at which decisions must be made to evacuate will vary. The attached tables give information on the times at which action to evacuate people must be taken if the total number of people in the risk area is to be evacuated in Category 3 (Slow), 4 and 5 hurricanes. A summary of information is given for each category. These times are for Jefferson, Orleans, Plaquemines, St. Bernard and St. Tammany. The times for Terrebonne, Assumption, Lafourche, St. Charles, St. James, St. John the Baptist, Ascension and Tangipahoa would be less.

Evacuees: Gives the total number of people assumed to evacuate in response to the threat of a hurricane (not always 100% of vulnerable population).

Vehicles: An estimate of the average number of vehicles that would be used by the maximum number of evacuees.

Cut-Off Hours: The number of hours before a hurricane reaches landfall at which evacuation must be stopped because gale force winds would be blowing over evacuation bridges, making travel dangerous. The number of miles from landfall is also given.

Clearance Hours: The number of hours needed to move 100% of the evacuating population, given smooth traffic flow, out of the risk area. In the larger category storms, figures are slower for clearance times in which traffic flows as it does normally, as well as for traffic flow if designated routes are converted to one-way outbound traffic. A 2+2-hour figure is included to accommodate two hours to begin the evacuation and two hours to bring the evacuation to a stop. Total Decision Hours: The total number of hours before hurricane landfall when the decision to call for evacuation must be made if an effort to move all risk area residents is to be made.

For The Record, President Bush declared the requested State of Emergency on Saturday, August 27,2005
For The Record, President Bush declared a Major Disaster on Monday, August 29, 2005

The Levees were known to be leaking on Tuesday, and newspapers that morning were downplaying the damage done to New Orleans.

The amount of Federal help that did arrive was being mobilized and sent starting Tuesday. It took the Feds two days to get help there. Pretty Good, I say.

It is my contention that due to the incompetence of the Governor of Louisiana as well as others, such as Mayor Nagin, and all affected Parish Presidents, as well as Governor Blanco personally downplaying the ramifications of this storm, and her inability to implement the Emergency Plan when she was given plenty of notice that potentially thousands of people have died.

How could a city that had foreseen this type of event failed so miserably to enact any plan at all. How could these Parish Presidents not have had people go door to door to evacuate them. Orleans Parish contains the City of New Orleans, and their failure to impress on their citizens in advance of this storm through community education the importance of leaving is a sad truth to this story.

Others can feel free to add timeline events or other information, but the Local and State Governments delay in following the plan has killed many. Why were all those buses sitting under water?

Regards,
Sonar5


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To: lawdude

Jesse Jackson said today that the NO victims should receive the same compensation as the 911 victims did. Every family who lost someone in the TT got one million dollars + from the federal government. (you do recall that detail don't you) JJ wants the same for all from the Katrina disaster.


181 posted on 09/04/2005 7:56:29 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: kittymyrib

This is pretty symbolic of the whole problem. Tragic as Broussard's story was, the fact that an emergnecy management official left his own mother in a nursing home in the direct path of a hurricane (St. Bernard's parish) is indicative of everything that wrong here. Nagin is certainly to blame, but so are those in the parishes of Plaquimines and St. Bernards, along with the counties of Hancock, Harrison, and Jackson in Mississippi. In all incidents there were paltry (indeed non-existent) efforts to evacuate those who could not do so themselves. This despite over 48 hours in which forecasts put them in the cross-hairs of a category 4/5 hurricane. By leaving thousands upon thousands in areas so close to sea-level, it completely plugged up all subsequent rescue and relief efforts by local, state, and federal officials.


182 posted on 09/04/2005 8:05:08 PM PDT by wthrman
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To: wthrman

Parish Presidents were Signatories on the Emergency Evacuation Plan for their area. They are as Complicit in this as the Mayor and Governor.


183 posted on 09/04/2005 8:12:18 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5
Mostly because Blanco is an idiot!
184 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:47 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

no comment.

ugh


185 posted on 09/04/2005 8:14:08 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Sonar5
Again, thanks for your diligent research and the information you provided. Reviewed in a mature light it can help mitigate missteps in future disaster responses.

As for the MSM, which I'm watching as I reply, the Rathergate affair simply earned a few employees early retirement but the style and intent hasn't changed one iota.

I just finished watching Scot Peley (sp?) manipulating the mayor of New Orleans to slam and bash the Bush administration. The bashing was a bit more subtle than the Rather style but the interview was still a heavily edited, partisan, political piece cloaked in the sorrow of a disaster utilizing an unsophisticated, local administrator/victim, without shame.

As to defending the Bush administration, I don't think they need the help. From my perspective President Bush is doing fine. He's delivering an honest message of help and hope and staying out of the blame game. The administration's detractors are well know political hacks who's tirades are being amplified by the MSM. Their bickering is being increasing recognized as political posturing by the electorate and their credibility is decreasing as emphasized by their decreasing viwership/subscriptions.

President Bush's popularity, which is surprisingly strong in view of his lame duck status under of a barrage of unprecedented, continuous, savage, political assassination attempts, is testament to his abilities to defend himself.

186 posted on 09/04/2005 8:14:43 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: JaneAustin; Sonar5
I've seen that. Check this out;

You have to work pretty hard to make people feel sorry for right-wing radio talk show host Robert Namer, so give Orleans Levee Board president James Huey his due. Back in 1997, Huey was so upset about Namer's incessant on-air tirades against the Levee Board that he unilaterally authorized board attorneys to hire private dicks to get embarrassing information on Namer. As if Namer's reputation as a political gadfly weren't enough to discredit him, Huey felt the need to (in the words of his former "confidential assistant" Vincent Bruno) "neutralize" Namer. Per the longstanding Levee Board policy of financing dumb ideas, Huey paid the gumshoes with public funds -- through the board's legal department -- but without telling other board members. After a year, the "investigators" produced nothing. In fact, the probe has become a laughingstock. The tab for the detectives and the attorneys overseeing them came to roughly $45,000. Details of Namergate came to light only recently when the Louisiana Weekly got hold of a sworn deposition by Bruno, whom Huey fired after Bruno admitted to The Times-Picayune that he did nothing to earn his $50,000-a-year salary. Whatever Bruno did or didn't do for his salary, he at least paid attention, for he provided some titillating details about the Namer "investigation" in his testimony. He also admitted that no one ever asked whether spying on Namer had anything to do with flood protection.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2001-08-28/politics.html

Followed by this one;

Fax Shows State Agency Tried To Use FCC To Silence Namer Documents obtained early Thursday morning reveal that senior Levee District personnel attempted to use information obtained in their investigations of talk show host Robert Namer to undermine his standing with the Federal Communications Commission. In a fax dated January 7, 1998, Gary Beniot, the Senior In-House Council authorized Gerry Metzger, the Board's outside special council "to proceed with the complaint to the FCC" on any violations of FCC protocols. As Benoit wrote, "Additionally, it is my opinion that O[rleans]L[evee]D[istrict] Government officials have a duty to report violations of Federal law to the appropriate officials." According to Namer attorney Bob Harvey, this is true. "Yes, they can, if they learn of them through ordinary sources." However, explained, Harvey, if the administrators use extraordinary methods to obtain the information they must have a letter of approval from the Attorney General authorizing the expenditure of the hourly legal fees and approval from a majority of the levee board commissioners.

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/weekly/news/articlegate.pl?20010827j

These guys are dirty. This is the story here. The levee board members are appointed by the govenor.

187 posted on 09/04/2005 8:27:47 PM PDT by bad company (what the hell happened to the 11th commandment?)
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To: ProxyAccount
Well, that's cute isn't it? What is Nagin's huge gripe? Oh, yeah the beauracracy and yet, what was he doing the day before the hurricane hit? Oh, that's right consulting lawyers concerning his authority to act. Well, gee that sounds like beauracracy to me.

What did Blanco do several times now? Seems like she issued a whole bevy of Executive Orders. Me wonders why these two people are engaging in beauracracy in their own state?

What was Charles Melancon's gripe on Nightline Friday night? Oh, well, gee, something about Blanco not filling out the forms correctly or something. Ted Koppel was asking who's responsibility it was to evacuate the people, who's responsiblity was it to ensure food, water and toilette facilities at the Superdome? Who's responsibility was it to ensure that protocol and procedure was followed such that there's be no question concerning Posse Comitatus - which Ted emphatically declared Melancon would be the first to protest about and that Melancon damn well knows it. Melancon said the whole circumstances were ridiculous. This is an emergency, you don't sit around dotting the I's and crossing the T's, you send EVERYTHING.

Interesting that Louisiana officials are obsessed with their own worthless bearacracy. That its worthless is eminently evident from the esteemed (not) Mary Landrieu's comments:

"If one person criticizes [our sheriffs], or says one more thing, including the president of the United States, he will hear from me - one more word about it after this show airs and I - I might likely have to punch him - literally," Landrieu railed on "ABC's "This Week." The threat of physical violence, by the party that protests violence is not the solution to anything.

That pretty much sums up the caliber, class and quality of Louisiana's elected officials. I just can't fathomn why both the Mayor and the Gov felt it so necessary to follow protocol, procedures as dictated by Louisiana beauracracy, after all, it was an emergency and action is just taken, is it not? Aaron Broussard (Parish President) says on national TV that beauracracy is murding his citizens. But interestingly enough, Broussard knows the beauracracy sufficiently well (or not well enough as the case may be) to get himself subpeanad and indicted (along with a Parish judge) 18 Aug 05 for corruption and bribery.

You know what the top nut on the fruit cake is? Blanco appoints as her emergency response advisor, none other than former FEMA head, and Clinton appointee James Lee Witt. And not just a former FEMA head, but the very person who crafted the very beauracracy that was absolutely not followed whatsoever. On 3 Jun 04, IEM, Inc., a Baton Rouge-based emergency management and homeland security consultant, announced they will lead the development of a catastrophic hurricane disaster plan for Southeast Louisiana and the City of New Orleans under a more than half a million dollar contract with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security/Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

In making the announcement today on behalf of teaming partners Dewberry, URS Corporation and James Lee Witt Associates, IEM Director of Homeland Security Wayne Thomas explained that the development of a base catastrophic hurricane disaster plan has urgency due to the recent start of the annual hurricane season which runs through November.

All that notwithstanding, what is the one thing Blanco did not do? That's right, not cooperate sufficiently with the established protocols, and procedures of the very beauracracy that FEMA is required by Law to follow. These people are either incredibly, monumentally, and collosally stupid, or they're wise as serpents, and sly as fox in the chicken coop.

188 posted on 09/04/2005 8:30:44 PM PDT by raygun
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To: Sonar5

Katleen et al rolled the dice and would have won; but the levee was snake-eyes. I heard on the news Mon/Tues am that there was a small barge that was in the canal that broke loose and that is what broke through the levee (anyone else hear same).


189 posted on 09/04/2005 8:34:51 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: Sonar5

Negligent homicide. Nagin and Blancco are going to see a lot of wrongful death lawsuits.


190 posted on 09/04/2005 8:46:06 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Sonar5

Bump


191 posted on 09/04/2005 8:50:33 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: Sonar5

Wonderful post of invaluable information. Columnist Rick Casey of the Houston Chronicle wrote today that there was no plan for the evacuation of poor people and that it was "no accident", implying that the powers that be decided to let poor people die.


192 posted on 09/04/2005 8:50:40 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: cookcounty; All

Just grabbed a bit more info on our crying Jefferson Parish President Broussard who has been on PMSNBC all day.

I also believe he may have been negligent in his failure to do his duty under the Emergency Plan as required under the Stafford Laws.

From:
Dated August 24, 2005. (Interesting date)
http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/library-87/1124865558219740.xml?nola

"Others who acknowledged receipt of grand jury subpoenas in recent days were Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard and Metairie lawyer David Sherman, subpoenaed because of their official roles in Hand's campaigns, lawyers close to the case have said. Metairie lawyer Gerald Nielsen also got a subpoena because of his role in Chehardy's campaigns, his attorney said."


193 posted on 09/04/2005 8:52:02 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: wildbill

Well, I hope you send this along to him.

Or Post his email address from the Article, and a few Freepers can send him the info.


194 posted on 09/04/2005 8:53:14 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: gitmo
"Why was the LA National Guard never deployed, even after they criticized the Federal Government for not sending military assistance?"

There was a partial mobilization, though I don't think it was very big. The security at the SuperDome Sunday night was handled by a (regrettably small) contingent of the Guard.

195 posted on 09/04/2005 8:53:25 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Sonar5

Excellent info.....


196 posted on 09/04/2005 8:57:16 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Sonar5
An article regarding the payout of an eminent domain taking by the Levee Board in the 1920's, with descendants winning a court order in 1987, was posted on FR. The descendants posited the monies that were to be used to pay off the settlement was diverted during the court process, to buy the casino and the Levee Board was claiming poverty if they were forced to pay the settlement. (Approximately $20 million)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=5th&navby=case&no=0130728cv0

excerpt: With regard to the more general question of the levee district's budget, the Orleans Levee District receives very little funding from the state. The levee district generates its own revenues from the Lakefront airport, a casino, leases of property, fees from boatslips and marinas, and taxes. The district also receives income from various investment accounts currently worth $57 million. The levee board does not dispute these facts. At oral argument, counsel for the levee board pointed out that the district receives some state funds, even though they are usually in the form of capital outlays dedicated to specific projects. Because the state funds are already earmarked for other purposes, the state monies cannot be used to pay a judgment against the levee district. See Hudson, 174 F.3d at 688-89.

197 posted on 09/04/2005 9:05:32 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander ((Edith Jones was on the 3 judge panel))
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To: Sonar5

198 posted on 09/04/2005 9:06:29 PM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Thank You.

Just what I was looking for.


199 posted on 09/04/2005 9:07:07 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5

STOP! STOP!

You're making sense! That's wrong!

No matter what, it's Bush's fault, get with it man.

Red6


200 posted on 09/04/2005 9:09:25 PM PDT by Red6
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