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Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Various ^ | 30 August 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/30/2005 1:34:04 PM PDT by NautiNurse

The situation in New Orleans continues to deteriorate due to rising water levels and desperation. Search and rescue continues via boat and air. Authorities have announced the goal to evacuate all the remaining residents of NOLA. The New Orleans Mayor has reported numerous gas leaks throughout the city. Sporadic fires occurring. Attempts to evacuate hundreds of hospital patients from Charity Hospital and Tulane Medical Center are in process. Patients are being transported to other hospitals as far away as Florida.

The Army Corps of Engineers is at the NOLA levee breaks with current plans to drop 3000 lb sand bags in an effort to stop the flow of water. NOLA hospital evacuations continue for thousands of patients. Reports indicate all evacuees are being taken to the SuperDome, which is now surrounded by water. The generators at the Dome are now in jeopardy. The Governor of Louisiana has called for a day of prayer tomorrow...

Elsewhere, search and rescue continue in Mississippi and Alabama. Biloxi reports indicate catastrophic damage.

Links to various news and local government websites:

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)

2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.

NOLA.com

Inside Houma Today needing boats, volunteers, lists gas station openings, water, etc.

WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.

Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports

Gulfport News via Topix.net

WAFB Baton Rouge

Mobile Register via al.com

Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger

Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser

Pensacola News Journal

St Bernard Local Government

Streaming Video:
WWL-TV (via KHOU/Houston): http://www.wwltv.com/cgi-bin/bi/video/makeadplaylist.pl?title=beloint_khou&live=yes

WKRG/Mobile: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518

WDSU/New Orleans via WAPL/Jackson: mms://a842.l1291238841.c12912.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/842/12912/v0001/reflector:38841

All are Windows Media Player links.


Related FR Threads:

FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread

Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here

Looting Begins In New Orleans

Martial Law Declared in New Orleans


Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.

www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.

Previous Threads:

Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: aftermath; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; katrina; livehurricanekatrina
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To: Howlin

Is your argument, then, that people did not have time to get out of town?

I'm really trying to understand what you are trying to indict the mayor (or whoever else you've decided is at fault for this disaster - apparently everyone in NOLA, according to one of your posts) - for. You're just on a finger-pointing rampage, but that's an old pasttime for Monday morning quarterbacks everywhere.


3,841 posted on 08/30/2005 11:21:11 PM PDT by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: Howlin
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he will make a decision about evacuations and other emergency procedures today about noon.

Which was pushed back to 4:45 for the reason DES pointed out (the parishes closer to the Gulf get evacuated first).

3,842 posted on 08/30/2005 11:21:48 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: steveegg

Yes - what is your assertion? I'll ask you then the same question I just asked Howlin' - do you think there was not enough warning given?


3,843 posted on 08/30/2005 11:22:56 PM PDT by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: buckleyfan

***I honestly don't know what more you can do, as a city official, than tell people to leave.***

In a city that faces almost CERTAIN Destruction from a moderate direct hit??

Well... A plan to use ALL assets to evacuate EVERYBODY out in 24 hours would have been a start. THEN if they choose not to go, so be it. Get names of next-of-kin...

Having a plan to return emergency assets within hours of the end of a storm....

Sticking 30,000 people in a potential Deathtrap, without food, water and facilities, including medical, is NOT a plan...


3,844 posted on 08/30/2005 11:23:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: buckleyfan
And you can see the same things mirrored in other areas of the country. Southeast Los Angeles, areas of New York City, Chicago, Detroit. All share a common thread. After the first riots businesses didn't want to come back in to those areas and rebuild --

And who could blame them... people no longer wanted to drive down Imperial Highway (In Los Angeles) to get to LAX so businesses along the way suffered, the list goes on... then the second riots... things get even worse.

THEN last year developers wanted to go into the area and put in a super shopping center, with a super Walmart (cheaper groceries and jobs) resturants, etc... and Maxine Waters, Jessie Jackson, etc., all show up and say you don't want this, they are taking advantage of you... vote against this development.

Guess what? they VOTED it down!

So now you know why I no longer live in California, can't deal with the mentality. Now we have a Democratic (clueless) governor who I hope we defeat next year before she runs Arizona into the ground.

3,845 posted on 08/30/2005 11:24:48 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: John Jamieson
Don't you think we should get those people out of there?

Ya like yesterday. I have ranted about that post after post, until the drum has no sound, and I am fairly talented about pounding out rants from my keyboard. I am paid the big bucks to do it, and was doing it here for free.

3,846 posted on 08/30/2005 11:26:36 PM PDT by Torie
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To: tcrlaf

I hope you work for FEMA, because you obviously have the plan all worked out. If not, what a great mind and resource is going to waste. Maybe we can put you in place before the next quake in Cali, or volcanic eruption.

In all seriousness, what can you do? You need all emergency staff in the city, on the ground, during the crisis, not trying (vainly, is very possible) to shuttle people to higher ground who don't even want to leave. Some of them would probably hide in there houses anyway. What's happening now is a pretty hardcore effort to save people who made a big mistake. And i'm not blaming them for it - that's just what a disaster is sometimes, people in harms way, whether they put themselves there, or ended up there by chance.

JMHO.


3,847 posted on 08/30/2005 11:27:43 PM PDT by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: NautiNurse; All

An enormous loss of life in the Pass Christian/Bay St. Louis area is being reported on another thread. I hope this is not true but it is where the greatest surge was and matches the little information that I have gotten on the area. Lets pray this is not true. I know for a fact that surge was much higher than Camille in that area.


3,848 posted on 08/30/2005 11:27:48 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Yeah DemRats are real good at doing that.
3,849 posted on 08/30/2005 11:27:57 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: buckleyfan
I don't have an argument; I made a statement. He had no plan.

And I didn't start this, you did when you posted

The mayor and ALL of the officials of New Orleans and Louisiana as a whole warned everyone beginning Friday that this storm was not going to turn, that it was a worst-case scenario, and that everyone had to get out.

If you can comprehend English, you can clearly see that that statment is demonstrably false. They did no such thing.

And what I see now is that you're trying to change the subject by injecting personal attacks.

3,850 posted on 08/30/2005 11:28:06 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: buckleyfan

Time to be a man and just admit you were factually wrong.


3,851 posted on 08/30/2005 11:28:31 PM PDT by Steve_Stifler
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To: buckleyfan

buckleyfan-She did state the facts,sick of your posts,night.


3,852 posted on 08/30/2005 11:29:15 PM PDT by fatima
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To: U S Army EOD
Yes I saw that too. Hopefully, it is being exaggerated.
3,853 posted on 08/30/2005 11:29:23 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: steveegg

Ooops......somebody doesn't like the answer so they're changing the question!


3,854 posted on 08/30/2005 11:29:35 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: txdoda; All

CAN YOU HELP? I just copied this from another thread....the FReeper to write is "LookingUp."

Does anyone here know the safe/dry route out of N.O. My friend is near hwy.90 and belle chase... i was hoping that hwy.90 west to Houma is workable... He had a stroke last year and his girlfriend died last week... he has 4 dogs and would not leave them ... now he is willing to leave but i feel that we need to help him get to a place where we can meet him.// he has only 1/2 tank of gas... there are no atm machines or gas stations in the area.. he has nowhere to get water or his insulin... no cooling for his meds...please help with the route... thanks.
As for the dead thousands.. there is nothing i can say... but i prayed that night and was physically and mentally ill.. I suffered through Betsy.... the suffering and pain that the survivors are going to experience is beyond anything any of us can comprehend...



324 posted on 08/30/2005 11:14:49 PM PDT by LookingUp


3,855 posted on 08/30/2005 11:29:45 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Howlin
For the record, I replied first to your post saying that the only plan was "for the storm to turn."

And what I see now is that you're trying to change the subject by injecting personal attacks.

Well and fine. Then let's just stop posting to each other, sound good? I'll start.

3,856 posted on 08/30/2005 11:30:54 PM PDT by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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To: flutters

Thanks flutters.


3,857 posted on 08/30/2005 11:31:09 PM PDT by fatima
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To: buckleyfan; Howlin
Yes - what is your assertion? I'll ask you then the same question I just asked Howlin' - do you think there was not enough warning given?

It was just a bad deal all the way around. Sufficient warning couldn't have been given since it was generally accepted that a full evacuation of New Orleans would take 72 hours, and Katrina gave even the experts less time than that, especially on its severity (the 10 am Saturday advisory was the first one that specifically mentioned the possibility of a Category 4). Couple that with a faster-than-expected approach, and you got what we got.

Where I could fault the mayor was in dickering with the definition of "mandatory" (it seems to give more power to the government in Louisiana than elsewhere), and then not using buses to start taking residents out of the city rather than to the Superdome. Beyond that, I can only fault the people that could get out but didn't.

That's the last time I try to break up a fight :-)

3,858 posted on 08/30/2005 11:31:53 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: toldyou

call the troopers...all the roads are listed as closed.


3,859 posted on 08/30/2005 11:33:07 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: buckleyfan
Then let's just stop posting to each other, sound good?

LOL.........Well, it's a damn good thing we're stopping, isn't it, since you've in that corner.

3,860 posted on 08/30/2005 11:33:36 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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