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Guns At Work (Clintonite Robert Reich pushes for OSHA total gun ban in all workplaces)
The American Prospect ^ | 8-18-05 | Robert B Reich

Posted on 08/24/2005 3:15:02 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Guns At Work
Big business and the gun lobby are going at it over workplace firearms. Will the Bush administration pick sides?
By Robert B. Reich
Web Exclusive: 08.18.05

Listen to the evening news and you’re likely to hear a grizzly story about a disaffected worker or estranged spouse or dissatisfied customer arriving at a workplace and going ballistic. It’s all too common.

About 17 employees are murdered every week in American workplaces by someone with a gun, making gun-related killings the third-biggest safety hazard facing American workers -- right after vehicles and machines. In fact, gun-related homicide is the leading cause of death at the workplace for women.

Researchers at the University of North Carolina have shown that killings are five times more likely to occur at workplaces where guns are allowed as where they’re prohibited. It’s just common sense.

So what are we doing about this? Some well-known American companies are taking action. It’s government that’s the problem.

A while back, the Weyerhauser Corporation banned weapons in cars parked in its employee parking lots. Workers who thereafter arrived with shotguns, handguns, rifles, and automatic weapons were fired.

But legislators in Oklahoma didn’t like this at all. Apparently Oklahoma’s lawmakers are more concerned about protecting gun owners than protecting average working people. So they enacted a state law preventing companies from instituting no-guns-in-company-parking-lot policies. Unless something’s done, the law goes into effect this November.

Thankfully, something is being done. A group of companies is going to court to block that Oklahoma law. They say they have a right to take action to protect their employees on company property. These companies -- including the energy giant Halliburton; aircraft-part maker Nordam; and ConocoPhillips, the largest oil refiner in America -- deserve the thanks of workers in Oklahoma and in any other states where gun-fawning lawmakers are intent on endangering them.

True to form, the National Rifle Association is taking a stand against these companies, and in favor of people who want to bring guns to work. It’s even organizing a boycott of ConocoPhillips gas stations.

Now, you may ask, where is the federal government in all this? The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is supposed to set national policy for workplace safety. Since it was established more than 30 years ago, OSHA has often been corporate America’s worst nightmare, focusing its enforcement on picayune rules and regulations.

Now here’s OSHA’s chance to side with corporate America and protect workers’ lives. OSHA ought to ban guns in every workplace across America -- thereby preempting the Oklahoma legislation and sending the National Rifle Association packing.

If OSHA fails to take action on this one, you might suspect that the National Rifle Association has trained its sights on the Bush administration.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guns; hurlllllllllllllllll; osha; sillylittlesocialist; unemployedreich; workplace
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To: Dan from Michigan
About 17 employees are murdered every week in American workplaces by someone with a gun...

Wow. You would think we would hear more about these 17 weekly shootings on the MSM...what, we don't? Could it be because it's another case of "lies, damn lies, and statistics"???

21 posted on 08/24/2005 3:24:59 PM PDT by JRios1968 (We're no longer the "Knights Who Say Ni")
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To: Dan from Michigan

I will have you know that I have no problems with guns anywhere except in the hands of criminals!


22 posted on 08/24/2005 3:25:20 PM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: Bob

Or how about a shooting range?


23 posted on 08/24/2005 3:25:21 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I hope our mail carriers don't hear about the proposed ban...they might go postal.


24 posted on 08/24/2005 3:28:09 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
It’s just common sense.

A key phrase meaning "I have no proof for this but you're a Nazi if you doubt it." You hear it a lot in gun control debates.

25 posted on 08/24/2005 3:28:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Dan from Michigan

Uh, I work from home...does that mean no guns at home or just my work area? What if a person with a cwp visits?


26 posted on 08/24/2005 3:28:43 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
About 17 employees are murdered every week in American workplaces by someone with a gun,

To come up with that figure, I suspect he is including robberies by people that don't work there. ...Or he is just making it up. I also suspect he might be including suicides as well.

That said, how many of these times is anyone else there armed?

27 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:11 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Dave Olson; demitall

I work on a military post. I'm also a concealed carry licensee. Last I heard, I still can't carry my weapon on post - even if I chose to, which I don't.


28 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:25 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Not on my watch!)
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To: torchthemummy
884 a year. Is this an OSHA statistic? Seems one would see a daily national story by the gun-grabbing liberal MSM if this were the case. Does this include officers killed in the line of duty? I bethcha it does.

If you look at the quote, notice it doesn't say "by a fellow employee". If a convenience store cashier is killed in a robbery, that's a "workplace murder"

29 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:51 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Dan from Michigan

Bookmark bump...


30 posted on 08/24/2005 3:31:32 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: Dan from Michigan
Government just isnt any ordinary two armed pickpocket of 'God given rights'...... its an ding danged Harry Houdini of an octopus pickpocket...

To be eternally guarded against....

imo

31 posted on 08/24/2005 3:31:46 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

What about at a gun shop? I wonder if that's their plan.


32 posted on 08/24/2005 3:33:03 PM PDT by jjones9853
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To: Dan from Michigan

No guns at the police station or at military bases, it's against OSHA reg's ya know... [/rolling eyes


33 posted on 08/24/2005 3:33:21 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Dan from Michigan
True to form, the National Rifle Association is taking a stand against these companies, and in favor of people who want to bring guns to work.

im so shocked, you mean they are actually fighting for something they believe in. /sarcasm

fighting gun control is one the main purposes of the NRA,so why does the author choose to word the sentenc like this? could it be because it pisses liberals off that conservatives believe in something

34 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:37 PM PDT by curtisgardner
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To: Dan from Michigan

"Researchers at the University of North Carolina have shown that killings are five times more likely to occur at workplaces where guns are allowed as where they’re prohibited"

False.

Discounting all law enforcement is necessary to make this statement plausible. Also, "guns allowed" is quite different than 'not disallowed'.

Another case of public funds used to fund a "study" designed for a specific predetermined outcome.


35 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:44 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: torchthemummy

"About 17 employees are murdered every week in American workplaces ...'


They pull these numbers out of thin air, repeat them ad nauseum and nobody ever calls them on it. I once heard a Boston tv nooz anchor repeat an alleged statistic implying that 52 six year olds shot their five year old friends in the head with daddy's unlocked pistol EVERY DAY. Hmmmmm, think it would be nooz if 52 six year olds were killing their little friends EVERY DAY?


36 posted on 08/24/2005 3:35:30 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Exactly. So convenient, dishonest....and so predictable.


37 posted on 08/24/2005 3:36:17 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Col. Beckwith: Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I own and operate a small "mom & pop" retail jewelry store. I open carry in my store and have for over 10 years. A few times a week someone will ask, "Have you ever had to use that?" while pointing at my nickel plated, pearl handled .45, to which I always reply, "I just did... it is called a deterrent and you would never think of coming in here to rob me now, would you?" All the local thugs know I would shoot back, so they go rob somebody that won't. I can just imagine what would happen if they passed a law like this. *shiver*
38 posted on 08/24/2005 3:42:24 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: Dan from Michigan

Dear Mr. Reich,

I think this is a terrific idea! As you say, when guns are at a place of business, people who try to make their living there are at risk! We need to be sure that guns are banned from all work places, and places of business! Of course, this would have to include any armed security patrols, as well as police. Please note that the vast majority of policement shot in the line of duty, are shot with their own weapons. And we've all heard about cases where security guards have gone nuts, and either shot themselves (some accidentally, others committing suicide, like the Wackenhut security guard in Independence, MO a few years ago) or their co-workers, or clients.

I think that for our safety, it's imperative for the government to ban all firearms from ALL workplaces and businesses. Especially banks!

Sincerely,

Willie Sutton


39 posted on 08/24/2005 3:42:40 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

3rd Reich ping


40 posted on 08/24/2005 3:44:39 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (DON'T BICKER, DRINK LIQUOR-DON'T THINK, JUST DRINK.)
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