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BTK Gets 10 Consecutive Life Terms (175 Yrs. w/o Parole)
CBS News ^ | 8/18/05

Posted on 08/18/2005 2:15:48 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

'Bind, Torture and Kill' serial killer Dennis Rader was ordered to serve 10 consecutive life terms Thursday during a tear filled hearing in which his victims called him a monster and said he should be 'thrown into a deep hole and left to rot.'

The sentence of a minimum of 175 years without chance of parole was the longest possible that Judge Gregory Waller could deliver.

The state of Kansas had no death penalty at the time the killings were committed.

Earlier Rader stood in front of a courtroom filled with his victim's family members, tell the court he believes he is a Christian and he knew he would be caught for his crimes.

Instead of asking forgiveness or a lenient sentence, Rader rambled off details about his series of murders. In a bizarre moment of triumph, he ran through a list of people he wanted to think.

He also told the judge he was honest and cooperated with police after his arrest, then said 'he blew so much smoke' in telling his story that 'nobody knows fact from fiction.'

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: btk; btkkiller; deathpenalty; dennisrader
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To: Recovering Hermit

Why does everybody think he'll have it so hard in general population?

Ever see what happened with Richard Speck?

Dude got hormone treatments to get boobs and had the time of his life with those guys in there.

he was snortin' coke and havin' all kinds of sex in prison.

Watch the tape of it once-make you sick

Don't tell me he's gonna have it rough


81 posted on 08/18/2005 6:56:40 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: JamesP81

The man believes he's a christian
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After hearing part of what he said today this beast is the antithesis of - the furthest from any religion especially Christianity.

He is a member of his own and any cult (Muslim included) - the cult of the ego.


82 posted on 08/18/2005 7:00:54 PM PDT by eleni121 (ual9fyiung for student aid nd taking clleg level course at the same time!)
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To: gopwinsin04

What difference does it make that the death penalty wasn't in force while he was murdering people? Are they assuming he wouldn't have killed if he knew he might have to pay with his life? How absurd is that?!


83 posted on 08/18/2005 7:06:59 PM PDT by skr (It takes a book tour to bring up a devastating security breach.)
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To: BigTex5
Its a parole issue. If there is a possibility of parole (I don't know Kansas) then he could be paroled for one life sentence, but still remain incarcerated for the other 9.

Notice that they did not say "concurrent," they said "consecutive."
84 posted on 08/18/2005 7:08:48 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ExSoldier

I like Florida. No Parole. - Serve your sentence.


85 posted on 08/18/2005 7:11:27 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Notice that they did not say "concurrent," they said "consecutive."

175 years, 10 sentences, 1 life = 17.5 years.

86 posted on 08/18/2005 7:16:41 PM PDT by null and void (Be vewwy vewwy qwiet, we're hunting wahabbits...)
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To: Iron Matron

Yeah, you'd think, but then the potential for abuse is tremendous.

The Gov't could simply delay the arrest of someone until they change the law.

Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.


87 posted on 08/18/2005 7:16:52 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Che Guevera isn't cool)
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To: bill1952
Wasn't always like that. When I was a State of Florida Parole Officer in the 1980's, there was time off for good behavior and gain time. Back then it was possible to get ten years and be out in three.
88 posted on 08/18/2005 7:19:43 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Hey, I know 3 State Correctional Officers.

Things have changed.
Even the joke of a system "Juvenile justice" is gone.

I believe that there is still gain time, but you must serve out no less than 80% and that figure is pretty hard to get to.

The sentences for using a gun in the commission of a crime have increased.
I believe that it is 10-20-life.
10 for possessing a gun during a crime, 20 for pulling it out, and mandatory life for using it.

Gun crime has fallen. Hmmm.

I remember those times in the 80s.

89 posted on 08/18/2005 7:30:57 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Gun crime has fallen. Hmmm.

Gun crime in Florida took a nose dive in 1987 when we got the Concealed Weapons Permit on a statewide shall issue basis.

90 posted on 08/18/2005 7:39:53 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

And I notice how the left coast liberals varnish over that altogether.


91 posted on 08/18/2005 7:42:34 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: gopwinsin04

I've advocated the death penalty my whole life, but what good is it if one guy (McVeigh) is prosecuted and executed in a matter of a few short years, but another person (the UniBomber) is allowed to live on despite the fact they were both bombers, both killed and mamed people.

I don't care if it's only a few killed by those bombs, or many killed by them. X the perp off the face of planet earth.

The UniBomber was deemed unstable for writing things that were and exact match of what a Presidential candiate wrote. Was the Presidential candidate also mentally ill?

The BTK killer should have fried. What he got was not justice. It was a travesty of Justice.


92 posted on 08/18/2005 7:55:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe
Earlier Rader stood in front of a courtroom filled with his victim's family members, tell the court he believes he is a Christian and he knew he would be caught for his crimes.

Are we so determined as a culture to preach this "cheapened grace" that mass murderers, apparently unrepentant, can continue to think that they are Christians?

I would not as a family member have said anything to Rader about rotting in a hole. I would have said:

Rev 22: 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, F131 that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But F132 outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Galatians 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, F19 fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, F20 drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

After reading this to the man, I would have gotten up and left without a comment.

93 posted on 08/18/2005 7:58:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: RushCrush
What will happen to him in prison?

Think: "Free Mumia"

94 posted on 08/18/2005 8:33:59 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Crush! Kill! Destroy the heathen!)
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To: xzins

Rader is a psychopath.

I don't understand the status of the soul of a psychopath. A true psychopath is generally incapable of remorse or any kind of recovery.

To watch him today musing over the similarities between himself and his victims, the fact that he also likes dogs and gardening and the AF, was nauseating.

The victims' families will see their loved ones again. Most likely Rader doesn't have that solace in his future.


95 posted on 08/19/2005 12:07:51 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: gopwinsin04
I defy any bleeding heart liberal to give me one reason why this evil POS should be allowed to draw one more breath? Note to voters in his home state. You need to put a measure on the ballot making the death penalty retroactive from now on.

I hope they house him with the general population in prison.

96 posted on 08/19/2005 1:58:21 AM PDT by Pajamajan ("Where there's life there's hope"-Terri Schindler's message to the world.- Never Forget.)
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To: RushCrush

The prosecution asked that he not be allowed any reading matter with pictures since he had a habit of cutting out magazine pictures and then drawing on tape, ropes and gags, etc. to make them look like his victims. This turns him on, so no Time or Newsweek for him.


97 posted on 08/19/2005 2:03:37 AM PDT by hershey
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To: JamesP81

Rader says God's already 'accepted' him, so he's all set.


98 posted on 08/19/2005 2:04:52 AM PDT by hershey
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To: RushCrush

His ex-wife wasn't in court, but some reporter said his brother was.


99 posted on 08/19/2005 2:06:03 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Howlin

I heard a reporter say his brother was there, but left.


100 posted on 08/19/2005 2:06:52 AM PDT by hershey
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