Posted on 08/17/2005 7:58:48 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
Question:
Ignoring all legal issues....
Would you care/object if your children's teacher was openly (not flaming) gay?
Would it make any difference if the gay teacher was male or female?
Would it make any difference if the gay person taught elementary, middle school or high school?
You wrote, "It does not change the fact that you anecdotal couple should be no where near children."
They're a real couple. I trust them with my children. My children consider them part of the family.
You would be correct. I went through Catholic marriage prep as my wife is Catholic and wanted to be married in a Catholic ceremony.
I was actually quite surprised with how little I agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
So, needless to say, Catholic teachings on human sexuality hold little water with me. They are, in my opinion, simply designed to increase the number of Catholics in the world. Everything else is just a gloss over that fact.
No. I just know that there is no amount of "therapy" that could turn me gay. There is no reason to believe that homosexuals are any more likely to be turned straight through such therapy.
You really have to accept the fact that there are places where homosexuality is seen as horrific perversion and other parts of the country where it's just part of the scenery.
I'd say that over the years, a full 85% of the gay people I knew were either tossed from their homes as teens or told not to return to their home towns (in subtle and not so subtle ways) after graduating from college. That's just the way the world works and from conversations I've had with them, they had more or less accepted it.
My faith is real. Aspects of it evidently don't agree with your own. Oh, well. Drop me a line down the road and tell me how 'sanctimonious' works out for you.
So anyone who agrees with scripture is sanctimonious.
Maybe you better check with the definitions of the long words.
It's incredible that you can say that and actually mean it. From Satinover's article The Gay Gene?, he says:
What about all the evidence that shows that homosexuality "is genetic"?The gay gene doesn't exist, but for some reason you've decided gays exist and ex-gays don't exist. Since science doesn't support your position, on what do you base your opinion?There is not any, and none of the research itself claims there is; only the press and, sadly, certain researchers do-when speaking in sound bites to the public.
We can actually turn some statements around. When somebody says ex-gays don't exist, we can just say gays don't exist and that would actually be the truth if we properly define the word gay. Those who identify as gay are really confused heterosexuals.
There is no science to support the born-gay theory. In fact, the evidence is quite hostile to the born-gay proponents. When we turn to science we see environment as the major factor behind homosexuality, and that is reinforced with the growing number of ex-gays as more and more confused heterosexuals (gays) realize their true identity.
I just know that there is no amount of "therapy" that could turn me gay. There is no reason to believe that homosexuals are any more likely to be turned straight through such therapy.
It really grieves my heart when I read intelligent folks (like you) post statements similar to the above. I very much encourage you to read the testimonials of ex-gays, or watch the I Do Exist video.
Scripter, my hat is off to you. In all seriousness. You write not out of anger, or defensiveness, or petty "I'm right and you're wrong" spirit, but out of knowledge of the truth, and real concern for the wellbeing of others.
Thanks for everything you do.
One of my favorite teachers in high school turned out to be gay, and I only knew because his 'partner' was mentioned in his obit.
I'm OK with a gay teacher IF...
- He doesn't try to 'normalize' homosexuality to the students.
- He is not involved in camping trips or overnight trips with the male students. Reason being: I wouldn't want a single straight man to take Girl Scouts on a camping trip either. It's common sense to avoid that situation.
My two cents,
-- Joe
I would be very much against my child being taught by an openly gay teacher. Whether you want it or not, teachers are a role model for your children...that is not the type of role model I want for either of my children!
What if the teacher's significant other came to bring the teacher's lunch one day, and during the "thank you" there was a kiss or caress? Would you mind then?
I don't recall seeing any of my straight teachers engaging in caresses or kisses in front of me when I was growing up. I then went to a conservative university where public displays of affection were against the rules--I'm not talking about a pat on the back or even a peck on the cheek. If you don't want to see heterosexuals engaging in open mouth kisses and the like why on earth would you want to see homosexuals do the same.
What's the problem? If someone can overcome the deviance and STOP the deviant behavior- however they do it- that's good.
Whether or not a pyromaniac learned to get off on setting fires, or he inherited the mania to set them, if he STOPS because of therapy or fear, it's good for him and society.
Having an urge- and obeying it are two different things. And leaving an aberrant lifestyle( of whatever kind) is not living a lie, it's turning away from the abnormal toward the normal. That's no more 'living a lie' than it would be for anyone who learns to curb an overwhelming impulse of any kind. Controlling your temper, your overwhelming urge to speed, etc. Why is it only a 'lie' if you curb a sexual impulse?
You wrote, "So anyone who agrees with scripture is sanctimonious."
False logic, errant conclusion. I didn't say anything like that outright, or even imply it. I wasn't referring to just anyone. I was saying that you, particularly, specifically, are sanctimonious, expert at holding forth on the sins of others, certain of your own unimpeachable holiness.
Weed your own garden.
It makes far more sense to respond with links supporting our position than responding directly to the verbal insults, red herrings, straw man arguments and subject changes.
As I see it, we get the above responses because those who disagree with us have no real argument. Their problem is they just don't like our message that ex-gays exist. I sometimes refer to them as former homosexuals.
For those interested, here are some testimonials from ex-gays.
That's an excellent point. I said something similar (earlier in the thread). No matter how much a homosexual sticks to the subject they are supposed to teach at school, if their partner stops by it's suddenly known the teacher is homosexual.
Their position as a role model is key. And knowing what I know about the severe health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle and that leaving the lifestyle is an option for homosexuals, along with a myriad of other issues, I can't see homosexuals as teachers.
We've come so far down the wrong path that we can't imagine the cost of returning to what is right.
An excellent question indeed. As I see it, some just can't imagine why someone would choose the homosexual lifestyle, nor do they understand how anyone could change their own sexual orientation. It's all quite complicated, but when somebody states the above they are really showing a profound misunderstanding or ignorance of how homosexuality comes into play.
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