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Stopping Democrat Corruption by exposing leftist lies.

1 posted on 08/16/2005 11:23:23 AM PDT by woodb01
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Id is conservatism's DU.


54 posted on 08/16/2005 12:13:25 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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Another "You're an idiot" "No, you're an idiot" thread....


74 posted on 08/16/2005 12:32:36 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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"........Unfortunately for evolutionists their recent beliefs have been challenged on interesting grounds. A new theory has come about to challenge the blind faith orthodoxy of the evolutionists, that theory is intelligent design. ........."

So what the author is saying is that "Evolutionary Theory" can be overturned by the mere postulation of an opposing "Creationist Theory".

Apparently the author hasn't read 'The Structure of Scientific Revolutions' by Thomas Kuhn. If he/she/it had read it then he/she/it would know that THAT is not how Science works. A 'Theory' (or 'Paradigm' in Kuhn's esteemed work) is overturned by the accumulation of observations that cannot be accounted for by the existing Theory or Paradigm, NOT by the simple positing of another speculative Theory.

Everyone knows that Creationists don't publish experiments and data to back up their Theory, but instead spew bilge, lapped up by the ignorant, and repeated by even more ignorant people in Chat Rooms. Oh well. [/heavy sigh]

Its really too bad that this crap has to be pushed on FreeRepublic to make the members here look like idiots in attempts to destroy this site and the Conservative Movement by these Trolls. [/another heavy sigh]

80 posted on 08/16/2005 12:39:19 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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The title alone makes me sigh good grief.


110 posted on 08/16/2005 12:52:46 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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The article would make a good appendix to the book "The Republican War on Science."


206 posted on 08/16/2005 2:10:28 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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Stopping Intelligent Discussion by exposing Religious Orthodoxy's lies
221 posted on 08/16/2005 2:24:31 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.

First sentence, first falsehood. Evolution does not address the origins of life. It is not only not the "basic premise;" it is wholly outside the scope of evolutionary theory.

223 posted on 08/16/2005 2:26:06 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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"Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents."

Since this is untrue and neither Darwin nor educators today have anything to say about origins of life based on Darwins teaching, everything else this person has to say is suspect. Natural selection is an established fact and can be readily observed in nature over as little as a few generations.

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227 posted on 08/16/2005 2:32:49 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Whoever wrote this packs an extra chromosome and lives at home with their parents.

IDers are to the Right what the Al Sharpton crowd is to the Left.

229 posted on 08/16/2005 2:33:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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In other words, the "accidents" of life lead to deliberate selection.

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Interesting. I don't think I've heard it put quite this way before.

250 posted on 08/16/2005 2:59:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.)
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http://www.nodnc.com

Great website and thanks!


271 posted on 08/16/2005 3:42:25 PM PDT by eleni121 (ual9fyiung for student aid nd taking clleg level course at the same time!)
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later pingout.


274 posted on 08/16/2005 3:51:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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Evolution’s basic premise is that all “life” on the planet miraculously “emerged” through a bunch of accidents.

No it isn't. This is a dishonest statement.

275 posted on 08/16/2005 4:10:08 PM PDT by ml1954
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The Cult of Evolution – the Opiate of the Atheists

The Cult of ID - the Last Best Hope of the Religious Fundamentalist Fanatics.

278 posted on 08/16/2005 4:18:04 PM PDT by ml1954
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Evolution is not science, because it can not be tested, verified, and there are no “false results.”

Fossil evidence that human beings were contemporaneous with T-Rex would certainly be a "false result" that would cause the TOE major problems.

But then, don't let logic get in the way of your fantasy and ruin the buzz.

286 posted on 08/16/2005 4:40:34 PM PDT by ml1954
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"Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned. The probability of this even happening one time in a billion years approaches zero."

I'd like to know the inputs into the formula for how the author calculated the odds of this happening. I won't hold my breath waiting to know. I never got past this tidbit.

For once, I'd like to read a pro-ID article from someone that actually understands science and evolution.

296 posted on 08/16/2005 4:56:57 PM PDT by DaGman
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Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned. The probability of this even happening one time in a billion years approaches zero. Then, to believe evolutionary "theory," you have to accept on blind faith that this same miracle of perfect order from total chaos has repeated itself millions of times to account for each of the plants, animals, and life on earth.

Good article. I would like to see an evolutionist answer this. Logically it makes no sense to believe that this could occur even once. If this were a religious occurrence it would be called "miraculous". And the level of complexity in this example seems to be much less than say, the creation of an eye.

312 posted on 08/16/2005 5:38:02 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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If evolution is true, Jesus was a liar and there's no point in being a Christian.

Luke 3:8 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) "8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." Sounds like this was meant to be literal and that God is able to create whatever He pleases. Days in creation weren't doubtlessly not days as they are measured today.

I don't think Jews believe that literally any more, but I think some used to, the Adam and Eve story in Genesis, even though I know there are two versions.

If that makes me a fundamentalist kook, I don't care. I don't believe in evolution, and science will eventually hit a brick wall because there are no ethics underpinning it.

333 posted on 08/16/2005 6:06:00 PM PDT by Aliska
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Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned.

So ID is based on playing cards.

405 posted on 08/16/2005 8:02:32 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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"Call me weak minded ..."

Ok.


413 posted on 08/16/2005 8:11:53 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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