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To: woodb01
Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned. The probability of this even happening one time in a billion years approaches zero. Then, to believe evolutionary "theory," you have to accept on blind faith that this same miracle of perfect order from total chaos has repeated itself millions of times to account for each of the plants, animals, and life on earth.

Good article. I would like to see an evolutionist answer this. Logically it makes no sense to believe that this could occur even once. If this were a religious occurrence it would be called "miraculous". And the level of complexity in this example seems to be much less than say, the creation of an eye.

312 posted on 08/16/2005 5:38:02 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
" Good article. I would like to see an evolutionist answer this."

Ok, it's crap. The *probabilities* were pulled out of the ass of the author. It has no relation whatsoever with any known physical process. It is desperate wishful thinking.
313 posted on 08/16/2005 5:43:04 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: DouglasKC
I would like to see an evolutionist answer this. Logically it makes no sense to believe that this could occur even once.

Chemistry doesn't operate on "chance". If it did, then imagine the odds of an ice cube forming. In just one cube there are innumerable atoms, all lined up in rows. In snow flakes, they even make pretty designs.

You want to tell me that this is by shear "accident"?

It is impossible to analyze chemistry by just looking at odds. And when creationists do this, science laughs and points.

You people should be embarrassed, but you don't have enough knowledge to know what it is you don't know.

315 posted on 08/16/2005 5:48:39 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: DouglasKC
Okay let me answer it just to humor you at least.

Think of it like this, evolution believe that if you have a deck of 52 cards and two jokers, and then shuffle the deck thoroughly, and throw the entire deck up in the air as high as you can, that eventually all of the cards will land, in perfect order, and perfectly aligned.

Okay the thing is I am an "evolutionist" yet I do not believe the above. I know quite a few people who are "evolutionists" but I know they also would not believe the above. That is because it is not evolution. The above is card thing is random spontaneous generation, which is not the same as evolution at all.

A better analogy to evolution would to have a population of 10 card decks on a table. Each of them are randomly shuffled. Now lay them out. None of them will be in perfect order, but some will be closer than others. Select the two decks with the highest number of cards in the right place. These two decks will survive to reproduce the next generation. Discard the rest of the decks (they die out)

The two selected decks are the "parents" of the next generation. For each of them, build 5 "child" decks whose orders are identical to that deck (ie they are clones of the parents).

Now for the random mutation part. For each of the 10 child decks consider each card at a time. Roll two dice for each card. If you get snake eyes then take that card and insert it in a random place in the pack.

The result is the next generation that has been produced through selection and mutation. None of the new generation decks will be in perfect order, but they will be closer than the decks in the last generation.

Generate the next generation by selecting the two best decks as parents and repeat the process.

Eventually (and it might take 100s of generations), you will reach a deck in a perfect order. This is a closer analogy to evolution, and it doesn't require zillions of tries like spontaneous random guessing. It is a far more efficient and fast algorithm.

330 posted on 08/16/2005 6:01:27 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: DouglasKC
Difficult question. This is the reason for the Harvard initiative, to gather together all of the disciplines, to attempt to find answers.
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Mr Woodenbrain opened this thread as a Name Calling Troll.
So,
To you sir, the man with the wooden brain,
the the most stubborn of IDiots, I say:
Learn to Read.
You are Illiterate.
Begin by reading slowly.
Move your lips if you have to, or say the words out loud.

ID's conclusion requires a leap of Faith.

"leap of Faith"= religion.

Science =No Religion.

So, we're going to Teach ID in Philosophy, or via the Churches.
That is it.
****
The abysmal stupidity, the mind numbingly idiotic closed mindedness of the "ID is Science" lightweights reaches
another low with Mr Woodenbrain's assertion that the collective minds of Harvard's Science Departments are idiots.

Woodbrain, you are the idiot.
And a Troll.

This thread should have been Zotted.
Zotted with extreme prejudice.
350 posted on 08/16/2005 6:27:41 PM PDT by pending
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