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U.S. Lutherans condemn Israeli barrier
Monterey Herald ^ | 13Aug05 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:53:42 PM PDT by claudiustg

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America denounced the security barrier Israel is building along the West Bank, saying Saturday that Israeli policy throughout the territories has brought "extreme hardship" to Palestinians.

The statement, called "Peace Not Walls: Stand for Justice in the Holy Land," is part of an advocacy plan for Mideast peace that delegates to a churchwide assembly adopted on a 668-269 vote.

It was approved at a time of heightened tension between Protestants and Jews.

Several protestant groups have angered Jews by protesting construction of the barrier, and some Christian denominations have considered divestment from companies that profit from Israeli control of the Palestinian territories.

The new ELCA strategy doesn't mention divestment, but it urges the denomination to move toward "stewarding financial resources - both U.S. tax dollars and private funds - in ways that support the quest for a just peace in the Holy Land." Lutheran leaders insist it is not an endorsement of economic pressure against Israel.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: apostate; elca; israel; lutheran
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To: OldFriend

My church leaves its door unlocked 24/7.

Of course, all the neighboring parisioners are armed to the teeth.


21 posted on 08/13/2005 4:17:31 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: johnb838
uh-oh, here we go...

Yep, off to cook, eat, then take haven in bed.

Here I go.....

22 posted on 08/13/2005 4:21:04 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: johnb838
uh-oh, here we go...

Yep, off to cook, eat, then take haven in bed.

Here I go.....

23 posted on 08/13/2005 4:21:10 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Mr. Lucky

A Glock for the flock.


24 posted on 08/13/2005 4:22:06 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: OldFriend

I don't know about all Lutheran churches, but I'm sure that all Evangelical Lutheran Churches in America would never have a "security barrier" such as a locked door as this would cause "extreme hardship" for any non members who might wish to do their thing on church property.


25 posted on 08/13/2005 4:24:21 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: claudiustg

Maybe the Lutherans should put offer themselves us as "human shields" to stop the Pali terrorists if the Israelis tear down their wall. For example, they could ride buses and lunch at crowded in-door cafes.


26 posted on 08/13/2005 4:32:57 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: claudiustg
The pronouncements on the ordination of gays and the blessing of same sex unions were luke warm at best.

You mean to tell me that the Cirque du Apostate in Orlando didn't mollify you? LOL! They do everything the pink mafia wants, while continuing to camouflage the ordaination issue; you'd think the remaining trads would figure out that trick, but it still apparently works on plenty of scripturally stunted ELCA Lutherans. If Mark Hanson had real courage, he'd admit that the homosexual and anti-Israel contingent owns the denomination, and any dissent is not going to be tolerated... but then Ole and Lena might not will the farm to the church if he 'fessed up.

The sharing has gone beyond bending over for the Episcopalians- the ELCA, UCC and (I believe) Methodists are now part of the same group wanting the "one world church" (remember: you can't spell "wiccan" without "WCC").

27 posted on 08/13/2005 4:34:44 PM PDT by niteowl77
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To: claudiustg

Homos good, wall in Israel bad.

What are Christians becoming in our country?

Red6


28 posted on 08/13/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6

"Homos good, wall in Israel bad.

What are Christians becoming in our country?"

By no means do Lib 'mainline' Churches represent all Christians in this country.


29 posted on 08/13/2005 4:45:14 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: claudiustg
The statement, called "Peace Not Walls: Stand for Justice in the Holy Land,"

Should be called "Dead Jews not Inconvenienced Arabs: Stand for Terrorism in the Holy Land"

30 posted on 08/13/2005 4:48:14 PM PDT by montag813
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To: claudiustg

The ELCA is deeply immersing itself into politics here, which is their absolute right--but not with the tax exemption they currently hold. Any Church which announces divestment against Israel and/or endorsement of the Palestinian Authority, should have their exemption stripped from them by the IRS.


31 posted on 08/13/2005 4:50:51 PM PDT by montag813
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To: edskid

The church has become a diseased parody of itself. It's shocking how quickly it's all come about.


32 posted on 08/13/2005 4:53:55 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: claudiustg
The church has become a diseased parody of itself. It's shocking how quickly it's all come about

Lutherans are good people...too good. They are too trusting have been overtaken by radical ( and often anti-Christian ) leftists. The Lutheran Social Services is basically an anti-American organization now, they take the money from the offering plate and use it to bring Muslims here.

How does it happen? Just one needs to get through the door and aspire to a position where he gets to do the hiring...it's all over at that point.

33 posted on 08/13/2005 5:10:53 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: TopDog2

I'm not sure the Missouri Synod wants people who have been members in the ELCA and have picked up that contaminated doctrine of theirs. I would certainly insist that our congregation make them take a thorough course in genuine Lutheran doctrine.


34 posted on 08/13/2005 5:13:53 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

I was confirmed in the Missouri Synod. When we moved, we started going to a local ELCA church because it was a lot closer. My son, though confirmed in the ELCA church we attend, went to a Lutheran School run by a Missouri Synod church. I guess we'd be OK, but I doubt I'd want to attend your church anyway...


35 posted on 08/13/2005 5:22:05 PM PDT by TopDog2
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To: claudiustg

Sorry Lutherans. This Catholic boy sides with the Jews. In fact, when they're done with their wall Id like them to help us build ours.


36 posted on 08/13/2005 5:22:48 PM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: EGPWS

Huh?


37 posted on 08/13/2005 5:23:01 PM PDT by TopDog2
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To: DogBarkTree

Given that Judaism is the root base of our Christian faith, and Mohammedism is a death cult heresy, I opt for the Israeli Jews any day of the week. They are doing what is necessary to survive in a sea of Arabs that drools at any chance available to kill Jews. More power to the Hebrews..they've got a lot to teach us about the Mohammedans, who naturally want to kill us too. Wake up world, we're in a new world war, and it's just started.


39 posted on 08/13/2005 5:30:25 PM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: claudiustg
The statement, called "Peace Not Walls: Stand for Justice in the Holy Land,"

Peace, or a reasonable imitation thereof, will come about when the Israelis are on one side of the Israeli Wall and non-Israeli Palestinians are on the other of the Israeli Wall..............interrupted occasionally by a Palestinian rocket attack and the ensuing massive retaliatory strike by the Israeli Air Force.

40 posted on 08/13/2005 5:33:47 PM PDT by Polybius
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