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Joe Six-Pack can cry every conspiracy theory in the book but his lament cannot refute the basic laws of commodity supply and demand. When demand swamps supply the price will rise -- when the currency is debased by the federal government this process will be accelerated.

When the opposition in the Third World War produces said commodity, they will use it as a weapon. The dollar, and the West, suffering a nonlinear assault far more dangerous than a few suicide bombers.

Suicide bombers can't beat the West. Oil can.

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1 posted on 08/10/2005 12:33:43 PM PDT by Jomini
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To: Jomini

It's going to keep going up until y'all stop buying gas.


2 posted on 08/10/2005 12:35:26 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Jomini
I don't understand why people can't distinguish between Crude and gasoline. Why does a problem with refining capacity drive up crude prices?
3 posted on 08/10/2005 12:37:46 PM PDT by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you're at !)
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To: Jomini
The market was used to having 4 to 5 million barrels in spare capacity some 10 years ago

World demand is approaching 84 million barrels a day. World production is also about 84 Mb/d and can't be increased appreciably. Not a lot of slack.

4 posted on 08/10/2005 12:38:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: Jomini

It isn't supply and demand, it's greed. There is no reason that oil should be this high.


9 posted on 08/10/2005 12:45:21 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Jomini

Could easily get to $80/brl by year-end.

Expect higher interest rates and the dollar losing more value to other major currencies. In the mean while all our tradable jobs are being exported oversee.


15 posted on 08/10/2005 1:00:23 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Jomini

Where are all the democrats running around saying we could solve the problem if we just took oil out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve?

Oh that's right, it's not an election year.....


16 posted on 08/10/2005 1:01:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jomini

And it's going higher. Next stop, $75 - expect it soon.

Natural gas is up too.

This winter may be quite interesting.


23 posted on 08/10/2005 1:08:00 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Jomini

I just don't understand the reluctance of conservatives to support conservation measures. I know market forces will provide some of this, but higher fuel economy requirements will speed that along. This is quickly becoming a force that could drive us into recession again.


24 posted on 08/10/2005 1:08:31 PM PDT by crv16
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To: Jomini
Energy markets have been extremely jumpy about a spate of refinery outages in recent weeks.

Why would a potential decrease in demand for crude oil, as would be expected if refineries go offline, drive crude oil prices up?

IMHO: This price run up is pure speculation and may be the result of someone tricking the market. Methinks the Rooshians and the Chicoms have something to do with it.

30 posted on 08/10/2005 1:23:46 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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This has to be good news for domestic oil suppliers.


31 posted on 08/10/2005 1:26:11 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Jomini
Suicide bombers can't beat the West. Oil can.

Nonsense.

Oh it might cause hardships such as a recession and force some needed but painful corrections (credit, housing overextension), but nothing near what would be considered 'beating the West'. Rising in oil prices sooner or later would reach the thresholds for the affordability of alternative fuels, such as shale oil and coal gasification, not to mention reaction alternavies such as shifts towards more coal and nukes for electric generation, changing consumer habits towards conservation, fewer driving vacations, more choosing transit, etc. We are a very diversified and resilient society. Change may not be easy, cheap, or painless, but there are usually plenty of options.

40 posted on 08/10/2005 1:45:53 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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The speculation is killing us in many, many ways. There is a supply and there is a demand - this whole thing is a farce.

If you remember, it started its ride up during terrorist attacks on Iraqi oil pipes as an excuse to get it up over 40.. then we had hurricanes in Florida which was used as an excuse to get it up over 50 - now this.

The supply is there, we just have a bunch of rampant speculators who do not want to lose their money and keep pushing the prices up.

If we do not watch it, this is going to kill the economy AND the government will be turned over to the dems.. they will win the 2006 election and impeach bush the next day.

Unless somthing stops the way gas prices are headed (especially with interest rates going up, etc) - this spells really, really bad trouble.

My question is, does Bush care enough to do somthing about it. I am not talking about the strategic preserves either. that wont do jack.


42 posted on 08/10/2005 1:52:46 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Jomini
Joe Six-Pack can cry every conspiracy theory in the book but his lament cannot refute the basic laws of commodity supply and demand. When demand swamps supply the price will rise

Especially when there is almost no such thing as inventory but just in time delivery instead. This means that supply is carefully throttled by price like a control loop, if yer into engineering.

49 posted on 08/10/2005 2:01:13 PM PDT by biblewonk (A house of cards built on Matt 16:18)
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Suicide bombers can't beat the West. Oil can.

the only thing that can "beat the west" was enunciated by(attributed to) de Toqueville: America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great!

52 posted on 08/10/2005 2:03:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: Jomini

My elderly mother enjoyed visiting me regularly, she loved the drive down to my house and the drive gave her something to look forward to. But ever since gas has done through the roof, her visits have become sparingly. She is on a fixed income and I'm not a wealthy person either, we decided to take turns visiting each other since we both live a good 30 miles one way from each other homes. The price to fill up is slowly becoming burdensome on the pocket book. I hope we get some relief soon!


58 posted on 08/10/2005 2:32:08 PM PDT by RoseofTexas (I)
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At what point does the production of crude oil from alternate sources such as tar sands and shale become economically viable?

I do believe we have abundent sources of both as does Canada.

As far as gasoline prices...there is wide variability between states in the east. Im thinking this is a matter of both taxes, proprietary state mandated blends, and some good old price gouging.

We do need more refinery capacity though...particularly in states which have special reqs on gas such as CA.


60 posted on 08/10/2005 2:53:52 PM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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To: Jomini

interestingly supply is still outpacing demand


gasoline stocks always fall this time of year and will continue to fall until mid September.


66 posted on 08/10/2005 4:06:37 PM PDT by atlanta67
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The insurance and taxes on my vehicles have gone up by a much higher percentage than the price of gas.


70 posted on 08/10/2005 4:12:12 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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If gas gets over $3 a gallon I wouldn't be suprised if the democrats start running for the 2006 congressional elections on a platform of initiating price controls on gas to "stem the greed of the big oil companies" or some such nonsense. Of course many of the "joe six packs" will buy the price control nonsense hook, line, and sinker...


85 posted on 08/11/2005 4:57:09 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Jomini
In a way I can find something good about this.

The democrats try to make the president look bad with it, but it only "fuels" the public's desire for drilling here in the US.
87 posted on 08/11/2005 5:02:30 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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