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Gov. Bush Criticizes NCAA Ban on Seminoles Nickname
AP ^ | 8/9/05 | Brent Kallestad

Posted on 08/09/2005 6:12:09 PM PDT by Crackingham

Gov. Jeb Bush criticized NCAA officials on Tuesday for their decision to penalize Florida State for using an American Indian nickname and symbols, saying they instead insulted the university and a proud Seminole Tribe of Florida. The NCAA's finding that the school's Seminoles nickname is "hostile and offensive," instead of honoring American Indians has the opposite effect, the governor said, because the tribe supports the school's use of its name.

"I think it's offensive to native Americans ... the Seminole Indian tribe who support the traditions of FSU," Bush said on his way into a Cabinet meeting. "I think they insult those people by telling them, 'No, no, you're not smart enough to understand this. You should be feeling really horrible about this.' It's ridiculous."

Meanwhile, attorney Barry Richard, who successfully led the legal challenge on behalf of Republican George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential recount in Florida, has agreed to represent the school in its case against the NCAA, Florida State President T.K. Wetherell said Wednesday.

"We recognize this is an emotional issue in Florida, and in other parts of the country there are people who feel just as strongly being opposed," NCAA spokesman Bob Williams said Tuesday. "We believe this decision was made on sound ground legally though as I said before there is an appeal process in place."

The school's board of trustees are scheduled to meet Wednesday in emergency session to discuss elements of its formal response to the NCAA.

The university has until Feb. 1 to make a formal appeal to the NCAA executive committee.

Florida State, Illinois and Utah are among 18 schools with an American Indian nickname or logo that will be prohibited by the NCAA from displaying them in postseason events, starting in February.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: americanindians; fsu; jeb; mascot; ncaa; seminoles
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To: TheHound
Seminole's are one of the only tribes that never signed a peace treaty with the US, they hide in the Everglades, during the "march of tears".

If I remember my history correctly, some of them fought their way across the country and down into mexico. Can anyone here back this up?

21 posted on 08/09/2005 6:35:50 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: TheHound

"march of tears"

Is that anything like "cinco de mayo"?


22 posted on 08/09/2005 6:41:51 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: bgnn32

FloRIDians


23 posted on 08/09/2005 6:43:05 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: calex59

It's more in line that when Pres. Jackson started the Mass Movements of the Cherokee from the East to OK and such, groups splintered off into Texas, Mexico and some of the other SW states. There is a large population of Cherokee in Mexico.


24 posted on 08/09/2005 6:44:29 PM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: Crackingham

I'm a Florida Gator, but even I have to defend FSU on this one (I can't believe I just said that). The PC stuff is completely out of control.


25 posted on 08/09/2005 6:46:46 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: NathanBookman
Is that anything like "cinco de mayo"?

More like Bataan Death March.
26 posted on 08/09/2005 6:48:53 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: bgnn32

The Orange Blossoms? Mockingbirds? Palm Trees? Pine Trees? Water Oaks? Fiddle, not a single warrior-inspiring name there!


27 posted on 08/09/2005 6:50:04 PM PDT by skr (Almighty God, thank you for the liberty you have bestowed upon this nation.)
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To: Crackingham
It they want to get rid of something REALLY offensive, get rid of that phony at the University of Colorado, Ward Churchill. As an American Indian, he is way more offensive to me than the name of any sports team. I'm sure he isn't held in high esteem with the white population either.
28 posted on 08/09/2005 6:54:52 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: libsl
Rename them all with European based names--Vikings, Celtics, Kings, Dukes, Conquerers, Druids, Explorers, Saxons, etc.

How about Neanderthals?

29 posted on 08/09/2005 7:00:03 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: Crackingham
The truth of the matter is that most Indians do not resemble their ancestors except in appearance, and even then many have mixed blood. The Indians of today have assimilated to a very large degree. They use everything from modern tools to automobiles to refrigeration and most don't even come close to hunting or fishing like their ancestors did.

My point is that the North American tribes as they were 100 to 150 years ago are unique historical American icons, like pioneers, 49ers or the Patriots of 1776. Those people from those days lived in the areas now represented by sports teams. The Jayhawks as they were in the 1860's no longer exist, just their modern ancestors. The Sooners no longer exist, just their modern ancestors. The Volunteers don't exist either, just their modern ancestors. At one time these were all people who were identified by those "tribe" names.

30 posted on 08/09/2005 7:02:58 PM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: NathanBookman

The Seminoles are the Seminoles. The NCAA has just declared that the name of a tribe is offensive to people.

Is it too much to ask that they ever realize the stupidity of their actions? Liberals, that is.

I hope that this gets a lot of play. I doubt it, but I can hope.


31 posted on 08/09/2005 7:08:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: Crackingham

Someone questioned in the AJC today if the NCAA would refuse to take sponsorship money from GM since they have the "Pontiac" name , an Indian chief.


32 posted on 08/09/2005 7:08:32 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: VeniVidiVici

Were they doing something in regards to Seminoles that was deemed offensive? I mean like the Atlanta Braves' tomahawk chop that so many seem to dislike for some reason. Or did they have some simple minded looking mascot that was dressed like a Seminole and ran around like a buffoon? Because I just can't figure out how the name by itself is offensive.


33 posted on 08/09/2005 7:19:56 PM PDT by libsl (I'm just sayin'....)
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To: Crackingham
I wonder what the "native Americans" think about the Apaches, Kiowas and Blackhawks that are "killing all the innocent little children in Iraq and Afghanistan."

And then there are those damn ticket "scalpers."

extreme sarcasm/off

34 posted on 08/09/2005 7:25:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: NathanBookman

I may be way off here, but as I remember it, after the Civil War, Grant decided to move the Seminole (I think - the Lombardies and a few others) to Arizona, New Mexico or someplace. Many of the Seminoles when along, many did not. The ones that did not hid in the Everglades. Grant literaly walked them from Florida to where ever it was out west and they died by the hundreds, maybe thousands on the way. If I am not mistaken, the route is marked by roadside markers along the way. In Florida, there is great respect for the Seminoles who did not give in to the federal government.


35 posted on 08/09/2005 7:27:32 PM PDT by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: xcamel
ROTC summer camp 1964 at Otis AFB. I was a member of Foxtrot Flight. Our Tac Officer encouraged us to adopt a more suitable name and a song for our double timeing to Mess Hall, PT, and other activities.

We became the FUGAWIs and would sing "Running Bear!"

"Memories like the FUGAWIs of the mind....."

36 posted on 08/09/2005 7:30:47 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: mattdono

This transcends rivalries. I'm the biggest defender of the use of the Washington Redskin's mascots even though I'm a (gulp) lifelong Cowboys fan.

I may hate the Redskins, but I don't want them to go anywhere and certainly don't want them to change their name.


37 posted on 08/09/2005 7:33:09 PM PDT by 1L
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To: NathanBookman

No. Its something celebrating Patsy Schroeder.


38 posted on 08/09/2005 7:33:38 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Crackingham
Just came to mind...

Next they'll ban the "Scalpers" from all NCAA sports venues!!

39 posted on 08/09/2005 7:36:55 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: VeniVidiVici

"The Seminoles are the Seminoles. The NCAA has just declared that the name of a tribe is offensive to people.

Well said. It deserves repeating with minor tweak:

"The NCAA has just declared that the name of [any Indian] tribe is offensive to people. "


40 posted on 08/09/2005 7:38:23 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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